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Manderleyagain · 08/11/2021 13:14

Some people in America are trying to launch a new university. It will have a physical campus in Austin Texas.

Kathleen Stock is listed as an academic advisor. Their advisory board is very impressive.

The many gc feminists who post here who work in academia might be interested in this development.

They have published a blog on Bari Weiss Web site.
bariweiss.substack.com/p/f0ee620b-e8f7-43f0-a9b9-0caff5d76d55

It is a response to the censorious and group think prone nature of American Unis.

"Universities are the places where society does its thinking, where the habits and mores of our citizens are shaped. If these institutions are not open and pluralistic, if they chill speech and ostracize those with unpopular viewpoints, if they lead scholars to avoid entire topics out of fear, if they prioritize emotional comfort over the often-uncomfortable pursuit of truth, who will be left to model the discourse necessary to sustain liberty in a self-governing society?"

Their Web site.
www.uaustin.org/our-principles

My instinct is its too difficult a thing to pull off, but still worth watching I think.

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JustSpeculation · 14/11/2021 20:01

@LobsterNapkin

FWIW I think a Marxist and cultural marxist are quite different, and the latter doesn't have much to do with economics.
And not anything to do with Marxism, either. It's just a derogatory label.
LobsterNapkin · 14/11/2021 19:49

FWIW I think a Marxist and cultural marxist are quite different, and the latter doesn't have much to do with economics.

JustSpeculation · 14/11/2021 19:29

Fascism, as a concept, has a reasonably identifiable meaning, involving a highly authoritarian state structure, a belief that this state represents some kind of spirit of the nation, embodied in the Great Leader, with everyone doing their work for the common good in a disciplined fashion and in their allotted place. It is anti liberal, anti reason and involves a doctrine of the "power of the will". We do not have a fascist right of any real relevance in this country. If you just call everyone you disagree with a fascist, you are losing the meaning of the term, and it becomes useless. A bit like how you lose the meaning of the term "Marxism" by referring to everyone on the left you don't like as a "cultural Marxist".

LobsterNapkin · 14/11/2021 18:23

@Phobiaphobic

Lots of anti-woke social commentators have been saying for some time we're going to have to build an alternative academia.
Even before woke was a term.

I'm aware of at least one new American university that has been set up similarly with the idea of a real commitment to free exchange of ideas, already, and there may be others as well. Some perhaps not looking to be accredited institutions.

But scholars are going to want to talk about ideas, and then you'll get students wanting to learn from them.

Phobiaphobic · 14/11/2021 17:33

Lots of anti-woke social commentators have been saying for some time we're going to have to build an alternative academia.

LobsterNapkin · 14/11/2021 16:24

No one has said university faculty can't be CT proponents.

That's basically the opposite of what's been said.

KimikosNightmare · 14/11/2021 14:29

@Obakarama

And the particular argument is whether one can speak of Fascism outside the context of 20s/30s. I think it is clear one not only can but must.
Oh one can talk about it all you want but given that "Fascism" is being stretched to mean whatever the person using it disagrees with it hardly adds credibility to one's argument.

On a personal note according to certain elements in the Scottish separatist movement supporting the Union is a Fascist stance.

Obakarama · 14/11/2021 14:21

And the particular argument is whether one can speak of Fascism outside the context of 20s/30s. I think it is clear one not only can but must.

Obakarama · 14/11/2021 14:20

Used with a certain irony. I am not going to link you to my writings on theme, for obvious reasons. But actually it is a well informed entry. What is your specific problem with it. Or are you just being nasty for nasty's sake?

TurquoiseBaubles · 14/11/2021 12:33

I just love posters who use Wikipedia as a source Grin

Obakarama · 14/11/2021 12:28

the well documented proponents of cultural marxism as conspriacy theory. I am sure you know all this and are juut goading , Look - Wikipedia has a page. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory

KimikosNightmare · 14/11/2021 12:25

The "Fascist right" - who are they exactly?

I have very little time for anyone who trots out that line unless they are actually talking about the part of the 20th century where there were actually Fascist governments in power.

Obakarama · 14/11/2021 11:37

I made a flippant comment about the policing of debate in a post, hardly claiming I am being silenced!

nauticant · 14/11/2021 11:28

In your post you said you were being silenced. When I pointed out that this was silly you seek to move the discussion of cancel culture onto the new outfit.

That's a bit slippery. Added to your sneery and self-righteous tone, and belief in your own superiority, you're coming across pretty badly. Maybe you can't see it.

Obakarama · 14/11/2021 11:04

And if you think this new outfit is not surfing the wave of anti 'cancel culture', then I don't know what it

Obakarama · 14/11/2021 11:03

Oh do explain how I am winning the case for the other side. I would like to hear more.

nauticant · 14/11/2021 10:18

You appear to be mixing up people criticising your posts with cancel culture.

Just in case you're unaware, you're winning the case for the side you're opposing. Now, that's not calling for you to be cancelled, I'd say you should crack on with it.

Obakarama · 14/11/2021 09:50

God, @KimikosNightmare, you are a pain. Ok, let me put it simply for you. I am drawing a historical parallel. 'Ooh, all this critical theory is just rubbish, shouldn't be taught in university, is stuffed full of wrong headed and dangerous ideas'. That was said about Eng Lit back in the day. Things shift and become accepted. My gambit, us that the focus on CT and CRT and all that as poisoning the minds of the nation and part of a new Nazi mind think - an idea pushed incidentally by the fascist Right with its coinage Cultural Marxism - will be replaced by some other bugbear once the peabrains get bored. It is just the latest think to get worked up about by those who don't really get it. Did you see Marc Thiessen ridiculous mangling of Kant? This is where the impetus to tear down places comes from and it is ignorant.
Anyhow I find it hilarious that, in a discussion of a new college whose professed aim is free speech and exploring things from all sides, my historical parallel is slammed as irrelevant blah blah blah. Wonder what you'd be like in the seminar room! 'No can't say that, can't say that...it happened yesterday, not today.....'

KimikosNightmare · 13/11/2021 22:05

@Obakarama

In the 1920s when FR Leavis came along
So entirely irrelevant to the points being discussed.
Obakarama · 13/11/2021 22:01

In the 1920s when FR Leavis came along

KimikosNightmare · 13/11/2021 20:23

Reminds me of when it was considered outrageous to study English Literature at university (province of weak minded women....)

Eh? When was that?

nauticant · 13/11/2021 20:18

You're sensible to be skeptical when the story looks just a bit too good Mummyford but in this case it's a real story:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10173131/Oxford-accepts-12m-gifts-Max-Mosley-trust-inheritance-fascist-father.html

Lammysaurus · 13/11/2021 18:09

@MargaritaPie

If it goes ahead I wonder how the students will react when they find out who Ms Stock is.
Who is she, Margarita?

And how, specifically and rationally, is she arguably MORE of a danger or impediment or threat to students - keep in mind, some of those will be ACTUAL women and same sex attracted people and trans people and other marginalised and oppressed groups - than, let's say, YOU? (Just as a common point of comparison for everyone reading this thread/board and familiar with both of your ouvres, of course! Smile)

OvaHere · 13/11/2021 17:34

@MargaritaPie

If it goes ahead I wonder how the students will react when they find out who Ms Stock is.
She's not Vlad the fucking Impaler.

Honestly the monstering of an ordinary, polite and rational lesbian woman is utterly ridiculous and reprehensible.

ErrolTheDragon · 13/11/2021 17:24

@MargaritaPie

If it goes ahead I wonder how the students will react when they find out who Ms Stock is.
Probably a lot will be delighted. And delighted to have the freedom to say so.