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Does anyone believe this debate will go ahead ?

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yestheyhavethesamedad · 08/11/2021 08:16

Grace lavery at 2am sunday morning put out a post asking british feminists for a debate , when they are in the uk in march , about 3 minutes later claimed people were too scared to debate 🙄
Helen Joyce, Julie Bindle and a few more woman have said yes ,grace is now saying no one has confirmed and that they are backing out.
So does anyone thing this will actually go ahead and want to place bets on the excuses why suddenly it cannot go ahead , backpeddling already started , ie: no one is organising ect

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yestheyhavethesamedad · 08/11/2021 10:56

@Ereshkigalangcleg
D'Ancona is the moderator , helen joyce has agreed to debate , so has julie bindel and sarah phillmore so the no woman will debate me was quickly shot down , so gl is now going with no one has confirmed no one has given me details because they won't give me their email addresses, and are not responding within 30 sevonds of me posting , even though im not tagging them , for them to be able to see

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/11/2021 10:50

I'm confused, is D'Ancona supposedly going to be the moderator or the debater?

Helleofabore · 08/11/2021 10:47

I’d be interested if Julie will do one as well.

Wouldn’t it be great to have more of these extended discussions? I live in hope that Montgomery develops the backbone to carry through the interview they then backed away with JCJ with a moderator. (Not on their own show, unless it was live and someone else who was a neutral moderator had the controls.)

foxgoosefinch · 08/11/2021 10:44

Has Lavery said sex wasn’t determined in previous eras? Grin What a load of rubbish and they should be put to work reading Renaissance anatomy textbooks if so.

Helleofabore · 08/11/2021 10:43

There is a degree of manic naval gazing to the tweets and the past interview I think.

I’ll be surprised if we have any sense of what that person thinks at the end of the debate. Maybe their book will have a sense of clarity instead of what feels like a vapour of thoughts that their tweets and interviews convey.

Manderleyagain · 08/11/2021 10:40

LP has dated an other trans woman called Margaret killjoy too. Google image search useful here.

GL asked Matthew D'Ancona to do it, & it sounds like he'd bd a good choice so hopefully that will go ahead.

The way GL tweeted on Saturday night uk time and was calling them cowards for mot replying at 9 on Sunday morning, then saying they (bindel and joyce) must be backing out because they weren't replying much during Sunday was really weird. It suggests self sabotage, or maybe just believing oneself is the centre of everything?

PissyMum · 08/11/2021 10:32

Considering Grace slavery thinks this is a decent argument I would imagine they’d be humiliated in a debate with a 12 year old.

Does anyone believe this debate will go ahead ?
DidoDino · 08/11/2021 10:28

Women!! Hurrah!! A man has graciously agreed to debate your rights!!

We don't need debate. We need our rights respected and upheld.

Floisme · 08/11/2021 10:27

Well Laurie Penny has a book coming out too so why not?

terryleather · 08/11/2021 09:58

@yestheyhavethesamedad

Sorry put names wrong way around , is that the previous "lesbian" relationship they are referring to when they were called out by bindle for using the term qu**r, that resulted in the latest how horrible british feminists are ?
No idea, but it would explain a lot...
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yestheyhavethesamedad · 08/11/2021 09:52

Sorry put names wrong way around , is that the previous "lesbian" relationship they are referring to when they were called out by bindle for using the term qu**r, that resulted in the latest how horrible british feminists are ?

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MTCoffeePot · 08/11/2021 09:51

I menat Helen Joyce!

MTCoffeePot · 08/11/2021 09:50

I remember the incident on Twitter a couple of years ago when Anthony Watson (former Labour advisor) demanded that Joyce organise a debate at an event organised by the Economist and started treating Joyce as though she was his PA demanding she get him tickets to the event and tell him the dates and venue etc. The entitlement!

terryleather · 08/11/2021 09:47

@yestheyhavethesamedad

Is lavery also linked somehow to penny laurie ? Some tweets yesterday seem to suggest so , so wasnt sure if this sudden urge to debate is partly linked to lauries tweets criticising julie bindle ect
Apparently Laurie Penny and Laverey dated in the past.
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yestheyhavethesamedad · 08/11/2021 09:43

Is lavery also linked somehow to penny laurie ?

Some tweets yesterday seem to suggest so , so wasnt sure if this sudden urge to debate is partly linked to lauries tweets criticising julie bindle ect

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JoanOgden · 08/11/2021 09:40

Matt d'Ancona is pretty sensible and will do a good job, I think (if Lavery allows him to).

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 08/11/2021 09:38

Lavery went to a prestigious English boys’ school and Oxford according to Lavery’s own tweets.

NecessaryScene · 08/11/2021 09:35

It's amusing how Lavery, having instigated this, now seems to be expecting Helen Joyce to do all the organising.

Ah, I see she's made the error of taking "Not your support human" off of her Twitter bio. Wink

Helleofabore · 08/11/2021 09:30

Well it seems that Matt d'Ancona will organise it. I know nothing about that person but since Helen agreed, I hope they get a balanced moderator.

Floisme · 08/11/2021 09:27

Thanks all, I think the book explains it.

It's amusing how Lavery, having instigated this, now seems to be expecting Helen Joyce to do all the organising.

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yestheyhavethesamedad · 08/11/2021 09:21

@Floisme
Yes they have said thats partly why they have suggested this , so that they can plug their book

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Rightsraptor · 08/11/2021 09:21

I had no idea Lavery is English. Now I'm going to have to revisit my previous 'nutty Californian' belief.

Lavery seems to think that because sex was not clearly defined in previous times this means it was open and fluid. It is only now that woman = adult human female. What Lavery does not appear to consider (if have not heard the entire podcast yet) is that sex was always considered so blindingly obvious it did not need a definition.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 08/11/2021 09:21

Yes, Lavery is open about doing this to sell books.

Floisme · 08/11/2021 09:19

Am I right in thinking Lavery has a book coming out?

Helleofabore · 08/11/2021 09:07

And maybe we all need a dictionary written by Lavery since they are often redefining words to suit themselves.

Or the moderator hold them to use recognised use of terms and words.