Does anyone believe this debate will go ahead ?

twitter.com/graceelavery/status/1459876445694611466?t=cFuFBVH_MKdygkankhWy9Q&s=19

I am on twitter under my own name, with a real photo of me and I am GCAF.

I work in a school. They have not come for me yet..... 😂

That name was taken sigh

...... she never tweets.....

Oh gosh what a surprise blow me down.

Yeah. Big surprise.

well done Rabbitwoman. I might go for a little peak at that exchange for fun.

I watched some of that debate unfold over the weekend rabbit, it really showed Lavery up. The lack of knowledge about the daily lives of women and children and how communal changing rooms work

The twisting they engaged in is not unusual but really showed their dishonesty and that hateful mocking when the dishonesty was pointed out was not helping their argument.

I suspect there are some mental health issues that underline their supreme belief in their superiority of thought which is never fulfilled in reality. They have little argument that is clear and concise, it always seems to be obfuscated behind impenetrable language and mockery.

Anyway, the Staniland question is very good in that it shows who immediately fall back on ‘the situation should be fixed by removing all communal change room’ or who fall back on sexually harassing Helen by calling her name associated with male genitalia and other acts that constitute sexual harassment. It really doesn’t allow someone to avoid answering without being noted by the audience so that person then loses credibility.

Just as Lavery did.

I also noticed she was quite the bully, like quote tweeting my tweets and tweeting screenshots of our interactions - out of context of course.

I thought this was supposed to be really poor twitter etiquette? Maybe to be expected from smaller accounts but if someone has tens of thousands of followers isn't it bad form to set their followers on a much smaller account?

Well, the pile on never came, and I absolutely ratio'd her, so maybe they were roooting for me!!!

There should be t* only changing rooms where 'unhappy GC kids and their bigoted parents can go'

OMG Grace tried to exclude us from mixed sex changing rooms?

Okay, then.

I was in a twitter debate with Grace this weekend actually. Is she a academic? She was utterly utterly awful. I am just a little wee dinosaur but I was running rings around her, blimey....

The Staniland question is just genius, I thought it was clunky at first but upon using it myself I am amazed. Because obviously the answer is no, male bodied people should not have the right to undress in a communal changing room with women and girls..... A lot of people are happy just to say so.

But then others don't want to say no because that would be a tacit acknowledgement that TW are not in fact W, so they dance around the houses to come up with all these workarounds - Grace's answer is that no adults at all should ever be in a changing room with kids. Why aren't they using the adults changing room?

(because there are no such things as children's and adults changing rooms)

.... and it's wrong and weird if children are being supervised in schools as they change (Grace's interpretation seemed to require teachers to be naked, though, or the idea that strange women would come in off the street and strip naked in a school changing room)....

She was adament that adults and children should change separately and also insisted that all public changing rooms had cubicles anyway that everyone preferred.

And the coupe de Grace? There should be terf only changing rooms where 'unhappy GC kids and their bigoted parents can go'..... We all said, yes please!!

I really cannot wait to see her actually debate Helen Joyce, although I reckon she will drop out before then. I really do. She's not up to it, and the likes on the tweets showed where people's alignment was....

What a 🐓

Well, in a surprising development Lavery has declined an invite to talk with Sal Grover from Giggle.

twitter.com/salltweets/status/1459977556195643396?s=21

Apparently Lavery is not doing ‘zoom’ at the moment .

No … of course not! The book isn’t out yet and it would be really bad publicity to be shown as unable to construct an evidenced argument rather than mock and abuse people who disagree.

Or if they were allergic to wine.

No trans person would be in the slightest danger from a gathering of GC women, unless perhaps they were gluten intolerant, because a lot of our get togethers are very cake oriented.

[quote yestheyhavethesamedad]@allmywhat
They have been having a meltdown since multi woman said yes we will debate you , and they have realised they are screwed either way , don't do the debate prove themselves to be a coward , do the debate and have to argue that woman and womans safety isnt as important as validation[/quote]
It’s quite the dilemma 😬

Discussing what each person means by those words would be a fantastic debate.

I'd love to see all that clarity.

At the risk of exacerbating the attention addiction, is it okay if I repost this from GL to marvel at it? It’s in response to Helen announcing an events company has taken on this project and suggesting that they leave the event planning to the event planners.

Great! All I asked for was an email address, but I’m happy to do without. It might be nice to hear from someone so that I can share my schedule. I look forward to hearing from someone to discuss dates. And will pass over the claim that speakers don’t usually “do the organizing.”

a) claim? Presumably Grace has participated in and even spoken at events before.
b) what is the bizarre fixation on getting Helen Joyce’s email address? I’m glad she evidently didn’t share it.
c) the impatience! It’s Tuesday and Grace proposed this idea at 3AM on Sunday morning, and already there’s an event organiser committed. Seems like rapid progress to me.

It is downright bizarre behaviour. Is Grace having some kind of meltdown?

Which is why sticking to the point is very valuable. It means that anyone watching gets exactly what you're talking about, and the other person just looks blustering.

I'm reminded of Posie's debate with Harrop. Where she kept saying, it's not that, I just think they're men. She kept calling them men. And sticking to the point. So no amount of him trying to be a smart arse made him look like one.

It looks like they deactivated.

Not just the tweet, the whole account has gone.

I don't suppose anybody screenshot it did they?

[quote NecessaryScene]Sooner or later, positions that people won’t defend just crumble away.

Evidence of some on-going inter-TRA squabbling about some of the more ridiculous safety claims:

twitter.com/AlteredSquid/status/1457716586312241166[/quote]
The original tweet has been deleted, was it magnificently deranged?

Thank you , Toofer.

(off topic, but, interesting side chat!)

I'm not Jewish and not from an area with a synagogue so I'm pretty ignorant. I've been googling and it sounds to me like it's based in gratitude.

A man living 2500 years ago would have seen the suffering being female can bring to your life. It's bad enough now with ponstan and contraception and emergency c-sections and maternity leave - but at that time, yes, who'd not give thanks for being male?