What proportion of male lesbians is too high?

So are these heterosexual male "lesbians" attracted to each other - I.e other people with penises?

You can imagine, especially in a context of something like sailing - male dominated, requiring specific skills, that it could attract more TW - poss a group of friends booked together, perhaps women knew that it was not female only and backed out?
Personally if I turned up to an event that I expected to be women-only, but realised I be out on a boat with a load of males I did not know, I’d be going home.

Yes, exactly.

The assertion that it is NOT TRUE does imply a tacit acknowledgment that IF IT WAS true, it could be a problem.

Exactly. Which is why the wi spa incident was so revealing. TRAs have been campaigning to allow exactly that situation to happen. And when it did, they all jumped about saying it hadn't happened.

It does show a conflict. If TWA literally W then even a 100% TW attendance at a lesbian event is logically no problem at all. “So what” should be the response.
The assertion that it is NOT TRUE does imply a tacit acknowledgment that IF IT WAS true, it could be a problem. Hence TWA not literally W, but we can go along with it because it is a minority.
You can imagine, especially in a context of something like sailing - male dominated, requiring specific skills, that it could attract more TW - poss a group of friends booked together, perhaps women knew that it was not female only and backed out?
Personally if I turned up to an event that I expected to be women-only, but realised I be out on a boat with a load of males I did not know, I’d be going home.

And there have always been men-only gay club nights with no women allowed at all.

If you were bringing a straight friend to a gay club you'd have to rehearse your story for the door staff.

Online at least, I get the impression many "lesbian" spaces are predominantly male. Check out the main "lesbian" sub on Reddit - r/ActualLesbians, for example. (If you dare)

I wish I hadn't.

I feel the reaction acknowledges that where this group starts to outnumber females, there is an issue. Which goes to the op’s question.

The point is that they know that a lot of people (particularly women) would have an issue with that. For lots of "moderate" trans supporters they're internally justifying it via the "no conflict" reasoning.

In theory this sort of thing could happen, but their claim is that it won't happen in practice - it'll be fine, you'll just get 1 or 2 lovely transwomen in your spaces, and they won't bother anyone or change the space at all. Don't worry. Just relax.

(The same arguments were used to get the GRA2004 through).

So if any incident like this happens they have to try to shout down all such occurrences as lies/propaganda whatever. (Like WiSpa, the BBC cotton ceiling article and so on).

(This was also done during the GRA2004 debates - dismissing news stories of men with beards in women's spaces, and saying "well a real trans person like we're talking about in this bill wouldn't do that".)

They can't keep track of their own ideology!

Sorry, my ‘why don’t you believe it?’ was to Soubriquet.

Why don’t you believe it?
It seems quite reasonable that women would tend to avoid a holiday in a confined space with males so the people the trip would attract need not be a representative sample of the lesbian community. If it was a group where some of the people knew each other already and one of the males was a known weirdo it could easily mean women cancelling or not booking. Once it got to 50% many women might drop out even if they would have been ok with a smaller number.

When dd was at village school her class of 15 was meant to have 6 girls but they gradually left because of the lack of other girls until she was the only one so she got moved to the class above. Could be a similar process.

It surely isn't surprising that such spaces could end up predominantly male

I imagine that would stop being fun for them very quickly - especially if they were looking for a shag.

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

Can you imagine if someone reported that they’d gone on a boating holiday and 9/10 people were wheelchair users or unemployed or from another country? Those scenarios might be unusual too, but I feel pretty sure that the first reaction would be to call the commenter out about having a problem with people in these groups. Why not here? I feel the reaction acknowledges that where this group starts to outnumber females, there is an issue. Which goes to the op’s question.

It's like the WiSpa incident. They deny it ever happened rather than defend their own ideology.

So true.

So again, the TRA response is to accuse lesbians of lying.

“Hey marginalised/coerced/pressured/assaulted/raped person - you’re a liar.”

In what fucking post #metoo #timesup world is this acceptable?

I’m going to report these tweets though likely fuck all will be done as we know Twitter hates women.

This kind of narrative makes me despair.

And ‘transbians’ and their enablers can fuck off.

I feel bad for genuine trans people (NOT AGP woman fetishists and rapists) in this mess.

Lesbians are same sex attracted women.

So none.

Because they don't exist in reality.

Male lesbians….I’ve heard it all now!

With regard to that tweet, I don’t believe most of the “lesbians” there were male.

However, men have always had to occupy the space where they aren’t allowed so it would have been highly probable that there was at least one there

There's no such thing as male lesbians.

The point is that many believers insist that all this trans stuff won't affect women at all. It's one of their go-to arguments. They claim this is about "trans rights" and women will never notice a thing, cos there are such an infinitesimally small number of trans people, so there's "no conflict".

And how could it cause particular problems in areas where men naturally outnumber women - eg prisons, various hobbies and careers, seeking female sex partners? Preposterous.

Male lesbians. I can’t believe we even have to discuss it being a thing. My friend was showing me tiktok live a few days ago and as she scrolled through there were 3 ‘male lesbians’, all separate accounts getting quite aggressive with people asking questions. Lots of people calling the ones asking questions, transphobic. It’s madness but absolutely frightening.