Page 2 | The nerve of Jon Ronson

RoyalCorgi · 2021-11-07T15:45:44+00:00

Jon Ronson has an interview in the Sunday Times (sorry, no share token) about why the culture wars will soon burn out: [[https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jon-ronson-interview-the-culture-wars-will-burn-out-soon-8gsj9wrj0]] This is a man who failed to stand up for women who were being bullied on social media and being banned from Twitter for standing up for women's rights. He fell out with Graham Linehan over Linehan's support for women's sex-based rights. Far from being a dispassionate observer of the culture wars, he has actively chosen a side - the wrong side.

LaughingPriest · 07/09/2022 20:42

craftykamo · 07/09/2022 10:16

Waking up the thread to mention that Jon is interviewed on the latest edition of Meghan Daum's Unspeakable podcast. Meghan's GC (I highly recommend her podcast with Sarah Haider "A Special Place in Hell' for conversations about feminism, gender, impact of porn etc. ) and tries to interrogate him on it.

Jon's obviously uncomfortable taking about the issue and this episode of the Things Fall Apart podcast, and tries to get out of it but Meghan doesn't let him. They talk about social contagion & children and she outlines a lot of the stats to him etc. He says he doesn't have a "take" on it, I'm not sure I really believe him. He's friends with quite a lot of GCs like Katie Herzog and I suspect leans towards that point of view but wants to appear to be in the centre.

Thank you so much for this. A friend of mine years ago recommend I check out MD's writing - I don't think they knew either her or my views on this particular subject (I didn't know Daum's but I got the impression she was questioning) but I have been meaning to listen to her podcast, so will try and do that!

Ofcourseshecan · 07/09/2022 19:27

CreepingDeath · 09/11/2021 20:03

Indeed when you look at a lot of men in this debate, you can see they are genuinely bewildered that women complain about having to share their spaces with men. It's as if they think it's women's role to accommodate what men want, and when women refuse, it just doesn't compute.

Agreed. One of the most frustrating things about this whole saga is not just the ridiculous unreality being pushed on us, but that it has highlighted how much many men don't really care how women's lives are negatively affected by all this.

Even the ones who proffer themselves as 'good guys' who see themselves as such. They know it's all really bullshit, but just go along with the nonsense because it's trendy or whatever, and once again we are reminded that they don't give a shit. They just carry on regardless, safe in the knowledge that they protected from the worst of it. And clap themselves on the back at how progressive they are.

They don't give a shit, because they don't have to. Their spaces, their sports teams, their prisons, their language is unaffected. How nice for them!

And we are just supposed to shut up and take it - how dare we see ourselves as fully fledged human beings, and not just support bots to facilitate an easy life for them .

Yes. It is painful to realise this. They genuinely don’t consider the loss of women’s rights, even to such basic things as privacy or physical safety, to be of any importance. And they still see themselves as the nice guys.

I don’t like recognising this. But the alternative is to cling to a delusion that is, in its own way, as wrong as the delusion of changing sex.

Bosky · 07/09/2022 19:11

TheClogLady · 07/09/2022 16:21

Jon has been a big personal disappointment. I really thought he’s get it, based on the ‘You’ve Been Publicly Shamed stuff, but he’s turned out to be just as handy with a pitchfork as the rest of the wokeblokes who’ve assembled for the modern day witch burnings.

I love to imagine him showing up to a dinner party only to discover that one of the other guests is Joanne Rowling.

What a dinner party that would be! Sat opposite him, JKR. To his left, Glinner, and to his right Sinead Watson. 😈

TheClogLady · 07/09/2022 16:21

Jon has been a big personal disappointment. I really thought he’s get it, based on the ‘You’ve Been Publicly Shamed stuff, but he’s turned out to be just as handy with a pitchfork as the rest of the wokeblokes who’ve assembled for the modern day witch burnings.

I love to imagine him showing up to a dinner party only to discover that one of the other guests is Joanne Rowling.

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2022 14:11

100%, Tasteful.

He's just weak. I mean, fine, but who the hell cares to listen to someone once it becomes clear they are talking without the courage of their convictions.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 07/09/2022 13:30

Jon ronson just sees book opportunities in every situation. The problem he has here is practically every take has already been written.

I don’t know, I think there’s room in the market for a mea culpa from someone who bought into the trans cause out of cowardice and conformity and unexamined misogyny, and betrayed his friends to fit in, despite not actually believing wholeheartedly in the “cause.” Would fit with the Zeitgeist too. But I’m not sure Jon has the moral courage to write that.

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 07/09/2022 13:18

Jon ronson just sees book opportunities in every situation. The problem he has here is practically every take has already been written.

Also, I don think he has the confidence to write this and know its going to be on the right side of history.

Manderleyagain · 07/09/2022 13:09

Apologies for horrendous typos!

Manderleyagain · 07/09/2022 13:08

That sounds like an interesting podcast. Will try and liste.

I think Ronson would very much like to be fully signed up to twaw because that's where the cool liberal types hang out. He's uncomfortable d7szgreeinv with it (if he does disagree) amd would rather just look the other way. His job & public oersona maje it tricky to ignore which myst be very inconvenient.

I didn't know he was friends with Katie Herzog. He is friends with gia milinovich too. They started trying to discuss it on twitter and then went off twitter to discuss, but I think it came to nothing.

Abhannmor · 07/09/2022 10:51

Glinner said Ronson reached out to him to try and patch things up. But after a while he realised it was just a fishing expedition on Ronson's part.

AlisonDonut · 07/09/2022 10:23

He just doesn't want to stand up for anyone lest he be cancelled like Glinner.

None of them do.

Once their paymasters finally turn he will be all over it. They all will.

Follow the money.

craftykamo · 07/09/2022 10:16

Waking up the thread to mention that Jon is interviewed on the latest edition of Meghan Daum's Unspeakable podcast. Meghan's GC (I highly recommend her podcast with Sarah Haider "A Special Place in Hell' for conversations about feminism, gender, impact of porn etc. ) and tries to interrogate him on it.

Jon's obviously uncomfortable taking about the issue and this episode of the Things Fall Apart podcast, and tries to get out of it but Meghan doesn't let him. They talk about social contagion & children and she outlines a lot of the stats to him etc. He says he doesn't have a "take" on it, I'm not sure I really believe him. He's friends with quite a lot of GCs like Katie Herzog and I suspect leans towards that point of view but wants to appear to be in the centre.

LeftFootForward · 04/05/2022 16:41

LidlMissSunshine · 04/05/2022 09:19

Jon Ronson is the Jeremy Clarkson of cod pseudo-psychology. Among the many other awful and stupid things he’s said, he also made some awful comments about women in porn. Apparently he’s visited porn sets and all the women seem really happy and as long as everyone seems happy he can’t see a problem with it.

He’s a cretin

I'm sorry but that's an insult to Jeremy Clarkson.

Jon Ronson is a whiney voiced mansplainer who used to write interesting and erudite articles for the Guardian back when it was a good newspaper.

ScreamingMeMe · 04/05/2022 16:16

nauticant · 04/05/2022 15:28

His approach of "I've identified the source of all that happened" and then pointing to the things that interested him most reminds me of a poundshop Adam Curtis.

Ha!

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RoyalCorgi · 04/05/2022 15:43

Thelnebriati · 04/05/2022 15:03

So we should all wheesht then? When does an anti women movement leave obscurity and become big enough that its safe to stop ignoring it?

That's a fair point. I think that if the anti-abortion film had been ignored early on it might have died a death of its own accord. Just think of how Life of Brian benefited from the angry mobs and the column inches in newspapers. Or the various controversial ads that have given a product so much publicity. By the same token, I often feel that if we all just ignored Owen Jones, he would eventually fade into insignificance.

Obviously at the point a movement is doing real harm, then you have to fight back against it. But a film being shown to a handful of zealous Christian evangelists isn't actually hurting anyone.

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nauticant · 04/05/2022 15:28

His approach of "I've identified the source of all that happened" and then pointing to the things that interested him most reminds me of a poundshop Adam Curtis.

Thelnebriati · 04/05/2022 15:03

So we should all wheesht then? When does an anti women movement leave obscurity and become big enough that its safe to stop ignoring it?

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RoyalCorgi · 04/05/2022 13:50

IvyTwines · 04/05/2022 09:13

For some reason Radio 4's PM got him on yesterday to 'explain' America's anti-abortion movement. Apparently it's feminists fault, because we picketed an obscure anti-abortion film, and it snowballed from there. If only we'd stayed at home, eh, ladies?

I think that's a bit unfair. I heard Ronson's interview yesterday as well as the original Radio 4 programme that he was talking about. His argument was that the anti-abortion film by the father-and-son Christian evangelists set the new anti-abortion movement in train, and the whole thing was given impetus by feminists protesting outside the screenings. Now I've a feeling the whole story might be a bit more complex than that but you can see why feminist protests would be counter-productive: newspapers reported on them, alerting people to the existence of the screenings, thus drawing bigger audiences and more protests, and before long you have a full-on culture war going. I think it's a valuable lesson: much better to ignore people and events you disapprove of rather than draw attention to them.

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secular111 · 04/05/2022 09:44

Rather than reminding me of Jeremy Clarkson, Ronson reminds me of Louis Theroux, and in particular how easily Theroux was deceived by Jimmy Savile, when he was best placed to expose him and gain a global scoop.

I always imagine Ronson with an elderly relative who is trying to teach Ronson how to use Google and the Internet in general, for the umpteenth time. Ronson makes little effort it seems to do any proper research on a subject and comes terribly unstuck about it regularly.

His 'Many Different Lives' podcast about Mitchfest stunningly forgot to mention that one of the key trans protesters - Dana Rivers who objected to lesbians having their own music festival, murdered Patricia Wright and Charlotte Reed who had regularly attended Mitchfest, a married lesbian couple, and their 19-year old son, just a few months after Mitchfest gave up. Whether that was an intentional omission on Ronson's part or an indicator that Ronson struggles with performing research isn't clear. It does though cast doubt on his ability to write top-quality work.

LidlMissSunshine · 04/05/2022 09:19

Jon Ronson is the Jeremy Clarkson of cod pseudo-psychology. Among the many other awful and stupid things he’s said, he also made some awful comments about women in porn. Apparently he’s visited porn sets and all the women seem really happy and as long as everyone seems happy he can’t see a problem with it.

He’s a cretin

LidlMissSunshine · 04/05/2022 09:18

Jon Ronson is the Jeremy Clarkson of cod pseudo-psychology. Among the many other awful and stupid things he’s said, he also made some awful comments about women in porn. Apparently he’s visited porn sets and all the women seem really happy and as long as everyone seems happy he can’t see a problem with it.

He’s a cretin.

LidlMissSunshine · 04/05/2022 09:17

Jon Ronson is the Jeremy Clarkson of cod pseudo-psychology. Among the many other awful and stupid things he’s said, he also made some awful comments about women in porn. Apparently he’s visited porn sets and all the women seem really happy and as long as everyone seems happy he can’t see a problem with it.

He’s a cretin.

IvyTwines · 04/05/2022 09:13

For some reason Radio 4's PM got him on yesterday to 'explain' America's anti-abortion movement. Apparently it's feminists fault, because we picketed an obscure anti-abortion film, and it snowballed from there. If only we'd stayed at home, eh, ladies?

nauticant · 30/03/2022 20:45

The gender identity ideology episode was left in the orphanage and not allowed to come out to meet the (re)visitors.

nauticant · 30/03/2022 20:24

Now on Radio 4 is the bonus episode where Jon Ronson recaps the series with Louis Theroux. Let's see what they have to say when they get to the out of whack episode about gender identity ideology.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0015vfz