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Woman beaten in bathroom

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purpleboy · 07/11/2021 09:42

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Can't really say I'm surprised but FFS when will people wake up to this.

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Cailleach1 · 08/11/2021 16:04

If that happened in Ireland, the new 'priests' would probably censor that video. I have read that they are censoring articles about 'Barbie Kardashian' ,who the police announced was a teenage 'girl' who was a danger, uniquely to women. They lied to women even though women were at risk of possible attack. The chappies who run the state (and a plethora of NGO's who are allowed way more power than they should) put on a progressive veneer, but they are the same (if not worse, in my opinion) than the old lot. Apparently it all can't stand up to any scrutiny without censorship, though. No proper definitions in the legislation either, kind of a belief theocracy again.

Maybe the new preamble to the constitution could be the trinity faith declaration of TWAW, TMAM and NB are real!!! Instead of Charles John McQuaid, Ireland has the new 'bishops' of the manifold NGO's and self-interested lobby groups dictating our legislation. Most certainly not for the common good. 'Archbishop' (as it appears to me) O'Gorman of Amnesty Ireland even asking for 'fallen women' (ie those not going along with this misogynistic and homophobic ideology) to have political and media representation removed from them. I don't think even McQuaid suggested removing political representation from women. I think these grubby people sully the name of Amnesty.

NewlyGranny · 07/11/2021 19:39

My 14yo (at the time) DS came home from rugby practice one evening, hugged me, then popped his shoulder into my midriff and walked me backwards all round the ground floor of the house before depositing me on the sofa! We were pretty well matched for height and weight - I was marginally the heavier - and I admit I was disadvantaged by being helpless with laughter throughout, but I was stunned by how strong he had become only partway into adulthood.

We raised him to regard his strength as an asset to use for others and a huge responsibility, and now he's the chap who spots people struggling with suitcases on stairs and mums wrangling buggies and offers his help.

We need boys to learn that their undeniably superior physical strength is there for positive uses, not for beating people up!

KittenKong · 07/11/2021 19:14

There often seems to be a particular level of hate and aggression - and contempt - for women: threats, attacks, smug selfies (remember the 🤺 one?) in single wed areas. Why is this?

FindTheTruth · 07/11/2021 19:03

The Attacker knows exactly which sex they have the strength advantage over, which sex to lash out at, which sex they can pin down to the floor and kick repeatedly, and which sex to back off from.

yes.

KittenKong · 07/11/2021 18:30

How many male bodied ‘non conformers’ get bashed in loos (I have no ideas of the stats) - surely we just need to make sure that men stop acting like jerks to their single sex facility user mates?

Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet · 07/11/2021 18:27

But you can't talk about this incident as it tars all transwomen with the same brush.

Just like you can't talk about Karen White.

Or Katie Dolatowski

Or Tyler Porter

Or Barbie Kardashian

Or Tara Wolff

Or Marie Dean

Or the bloke at WiSpa

Or any of the other countless examples of male violence where the male perpetrator happens to identify as a woman.

Doesn't mean anything apparently.

We are of course allowed to discuss male violence, #metoo etc but only when the male involves actually identifies as male.

Otherwise it's bigotry.

KittenKong · 07/11/2021 18:22

Didn’t they open a school for trans pupils (or was that Argentina?). Seemed to be mostly/all male born children.

ArabellaScott · 07/11/2021 18:05

Brazil, is one of the countries we are told that self ID has caused no problems at all, is it not?

Doubletoilandtrouble · 07/11/2021 17:14

I think the video shows a lot of male aggression coming from the biologically male transgirl.

There was only one person getting physically beaten the crap out of: a biological girl.

There was one aggressor: a biological male (transgirl).

I also thought it telling who this biologically male transgirl was happy to take a fight with multiple biological girls but gave up as soon as another male stepped in.

Motorina · 07/11/2021 16:22

@LonginesPrime

It's appalling that schools, employers and public services are pitting women and transwomen against each other and letting us literally battle it out on a daily basis.

The mismanagement of all of this by the bodies in charge is criminal.

They're not. They're pitting women and predatory men against each other, and using trans rights as the justification and 'be kind' as the excuse.

This is not a trans issue. This is a male entitlement issue. It's the same old battle, just this time in a trans frock.

SnoopyLights · 07/11/2021 15:33

@purpleboy

Yes one of the people quoted said how a skinny trans woman still easily overpowered the girl, even thought they looked a similar size. Exactly what's been said all along about the difference in strength between men and women.
Thinking about this, and watching the video again, it's clear that the Attacker clearly knows about the strength advantage they have as well.

The Attacker had a girl on the floor and was beating the crap out of her, it was clear she wasn't able to equally defend herself against the Attacker. The other girl trying to intervene at the same time was also having no impact on the Attacker.

And yet the boy in the red shorts physically stopped the Attacker twice and then verbally prevented the Attacker from going back to attack that girl again.

And at no point did the Attacker lash out at him. Not even when he grabbed the attacker and physically had hold of him.

The Attacker knows exactly which sex they have the strength advantage over, which sex to lash out at, which sex they can pin down to the floor and kick repeatedly, and which sex to back off from.

SnoopyLights · 07/11/2021 15:15

@purpleboy

Yes one of the people quoted said how a skinny trans woman still easily overpowered the girl, even thought they looked a similar size. Exactly what's been said all along about the difference in strength between men and women.
I absolutely agree with you. It infuriates me that people continue to claim there is no real difference between men and women (usually when advocating for men to take over women's sports places).

My 12 year old son is now the same height as me (5 foot 5 inches) and very slim. He's also already a lot stronger than me.

Male puberty is an advantage and it's unfair to put women and girls in the vulnerable position of being on the receiving end of their advantage.

LonginesPrime · 07/11/2021 15:11

It's appalling that schools, employers and public services are pitting women and transwomen against each other and letting us literally battle it out on a daily basis.

The mismanagement of all of this by the bodies in charge is criminal.

Doubletoilandtrouble · 07/11/2021 15:05

That attack was so vicious and so awful. That poor girl. She never had a chance, not even when her female friends stepped in.

I think this should be shown far and wide - together with the Loudoun rape - so that people realise that single sex spaces need to stay single sex.

LondonWolf · 07/11/2021 14:56

Brave girls to carry on shouting their rights as they did. Red Shorts treated him like the man that he is and it was refreshing to see it, thank goodness he was there. Now we just have to wait in apprehension for the next time this happens - because it will - but maybe no decent bloke around to help out Sad

DidoDino · 07/11/2021 14:53

This English translation says that courageous girl got up and shouted "You are not a woman" 💪🏾

HH76ds31 · 07/11/2021 14:47

Now that is #literalviolence

NewlyGranny · 07/11/2021 14:07

Oh, and if the attack had stayed behind the girls' toilet door and not spilled into the corridor, what then? If our red-shorts hero had not been handy, the victim could have been looking at a ride in an ambulance with a skull fracture.

Girls' underwear, boys' level of aggression.

NewlyGranny · 07/11/2021 14:03

Scrolling leaves, I wondered about the attacker being partly clothes, but I speculate that the victim's friends may have tried to pull the attacker off by the sweatshirt, which looks a bit loose and oversize.

I loved the way the victim's friends flanked her and the three of them told the attacker what was what! Whatever the Portuguese is for ,"Be kind, be quiet, forget your rights," they were clearly well past listening.

If a transgirl is afraid to use the boys' toilets for fear if being beaten up, you'd think they'd make certain they weren't replicating the problem themselves in the girls'!

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 07/11/2021 12:55

@NotBadConsidering

Number of cases needed before they admit there’s a problem = n + 1, where n is all of the cases so far.
Yup.
purpleboy · 07/11/2021 12:50

I wonder what will happen going forward in this school? Will the girl be punished for "being mean" and calling out the man in the woman's toilets? Will they realise women are not comfortable with this? Or will. The TW be allowed to continue to use the woman's toilets?

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Artichokeleaves · 07/11/2021 12:13

What strikes me? The viciousness and the force of that downward stamp. And how while the girl fights back, another girl tries to help, two females are struggling with this attacking male - the male in the red shorts grabs the attacker with one arm and just swings him aside.

Can we all stop the fairytales now please?

If male people want alternatives to male provisions then go and sort them out, they should not be in female single sex spaces.

AlfonsoTheUnrepentant · 07/11/2021 12:07

Good for Red Shorts.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/11/2021 12:05

Well I’m astonished - I mean this never happens!!!

ScrollingLeaves · 07/11/2021 12:02

Why was the male attacker’s bra showing and his shirt half off does any one know?