MS are handing out pronoun badges to their staff

So usually I am anti anyone being asked to state their pronouns but I was in H&M the other day and a really nice assistant opened a till for us. I, without thinking said to my daughter, "the really nice lady has opened the till for us" and then I looked at them and actually I panicked as I realised I'd made an assumption and I shouldn't.

And what if you don’t see claras badge or can’t read it

That's not necessarily the case. Imagination doesnt seem to be your strong suit, so I'll spell it out even more. Say you're working together to unpack a trolley of goods onto the shelf. A colleague walks up and asks how you're getting on and how long it's going to take you. You state Clara is here to help and she/they will be there for another 2 hours

Which pronouns do you use for Clara? You aren't talking to Clara but Clara is within earshot

How contrived. In that situation the answer would be

"Clara is helping me- it'll take us another hour or so" or "Clara is helping- we'll need an another hour"

Forced pronouning

Or bullying

It is bullying

Cos if you don’t do this as an employee your card will be marked

[quote AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken]@CatherinaJTV
You seem to have missed my question so I’ll post it again

no, the best way to do that would be to squash the patriarchy and its associated assumptions. People would not have preconceptions regarding my abilities or behaviours and I would still be a woman.

Ok
I’m a woman because I’m an adult female.
In what way am I the same as a trans woman?
Obviously, you need to name similarities that don’t “have preconceptions regarding my abilities or behaviours”[/quote]
we didn't talk about trans women at all, we talked about women putting their pronouns and how others have preconceptions regarding women's compentencies and behaviours. You may have missed it, but the argument that putting pronouns puts (cis) women at risk is quite frequently used here.

If women being raped by males or incarcerated with male rapists while they’re in a literally inescapable place is “some bullshit” to you, you have something missing

Quite. Just nasty, while pitching a fit of the vapours over "misgendering".

I think you missed the point @Mouseonmychair.

Threats would more likely come from a man, as per usual. When would avoid or play nice. Men are more likely to be confrontational.

There's a difference between victim blaming and recognising the target pinned to someone's chest!

We had a work email about it last week, asking which pronoun we'd prefer on our e-mail signatures.

I don't want one. Is it ok to say that? I just don't want it, it feels like it's being forced on me.

I have no problem referring to anyone else with the pronoun they have chosen for themselves, if they are that bothered about it. But I don't like it, don't want to chose a pronoun.

I suspect there will be plenty of places to shop as most people think it's a complete pile of nonsense

It's not their pronouns is it? They don't own the words

Pronouns are words other people use ... their words, their pronouns... to describe other people

The purpose is describing, they become meaningless if they don't help the descriptions

Ridiculous. The only pronoun I'll use when addressing a member of staff is "you". Why would I call them he/she/it?

It's virtue signalling nonsense. And @CatherinaJTV, I know many employees forced into this outrageously unfair practice (usually email signatures) because they have felt unable to opt out. It's bullying.

Where on earth are you lot going to shop when you find out tesco sainsbury and
asda are following suit?

Which pronouns do you use for Clara? You aren't talking to Clara but Clara is within earshot.

None of them. Because the fear instilled by the Pronoun Police would have me stuttering and double thinking. I'd make up a mangled fuckwitted sentence that avoided pronouns altogether.

Just like we have to do here on the Pronoun Police's Citizen Training Ground.

I don't see how it's relevant to food/clothes shops. 'Excuse me, where can I find the giant knickers that hold my stomach in?' And 'thank you' need no pronouns.

It's all a bit invasive.

I can hardly get worked up about pronoun badges. It provides further information and as long as it is optional it stops the dinosaurs the misgendering people who have obviously made it clear their pronoun. But that doesn't mean to me that they should be allowed in a single sex space that doesn't match their sex.

You don't get that many of us feel very uncomfortable with the gender binary and reject it outright

But bloody aware of the sex binary

And so having gender shoved down my throat really makes me gag

Being forced to accept a gender to make so some else feel better about accepting one that they feel is inconsistent with thier sex is beyond stupid

Lokdok what if it doesn't make someone feel comfortable?

It's a small part of a much bigger issue. A slippery slope.

Which pronouns do you use for Clara? You aren't talking to Clara but Clara is within earshot.

because transwomen in prison or some bullshit.

Over 40% of trans women in prisons are there for sexual crimes as opposed to 19% of the general male prison population.

If women being raped by males or incarcerated with male rapists while they’re in a literally inescapable place is “some bullshit” to you, you have something missing

How about we change perception of women, rather than be triggered by someone showing their pronouns into absolutely inappropriate behaviour?

How about you go to that agricultural place, or other online male hangouts, and tell the men there precisely that?

Why harangue women for male violence?

Let's say that Clara is clearly female but has he/him badge

Clara , a manager , is currently stacking shelves an aisle away from a clearly male colleague

a member of the public comes up , asks a tricky question

You reply
"See that staff assistant over there , he can help you"

Who does the public go to? Why?

@CatherinaJTV
You seem to have missed my question so I’ll post it again

no, the best way to do that would be to squash the patriarchy and its associated assumptions. People would not have preconceptions regarding my abilities or behaviours and I would still be a woman.

Ok
I’m a woman because I’m an adult female.
In what way am I the same as a trans woman?
Obviously, you need to name similarities that don’t “have preconceptions regarding my abilities or behaviours”