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PlayerOneReady · 2021-11-05T16:09:34+00:00

And yes they really did refer to lesbians as ‘non men loving non men’ [[https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/nov/05/i-am-16-and-identify-as-an-ace-lesbian-but-i-dont-want-to-come-out-to-my-parents]]

SolasAnla · 05/11/2021 18:49

@Mochudubh

Sorry, but WTF is an ace lesbian? How do they differ from ordinary lesbians?

(Don't want to Google, my tablet and work PC seem to have linked somehow).

From another thread about Girl Guide leaders announcing who they did not want to have sex with

Ace = Asexual
So person who is not L, G, B or H.
Where
L : f>f
G: m>m
B: f>f/m or m>m/f
H: f>m or m>f

Has no interest in having sex but this is not because they have low sex drive.
But person may have sex anyway

NoThankYouSaurus · 05/11/2021 18:47

I hope she has a good osteopath. All that naval gazing must be very bad for your spine.

LonginesPrime · 05/11/2021 18:46

So basically:

Q: I'm 16 and I'm worried my parents don't understand me.

A: Chill out, you're a perfectly normal teenager.

What I don't understand is why the Guardian have linked to random Reddit pages - is that normal?

MonsignorMirth · 05/11/2021 18:36

I hope they're providing a full definition of "man" so that we can all work out whether we're men or non-men. It's so so hard!

risefromyourgrave · 05/11/2021 18:33

I half seriously find myself wishing for a solar flare to wipe out the internet for a few weeks, just to get all these poor confused kids out in the real world, where validation and affirmation are not the be all and end all of life.

Mochudubh · 05/11/2021 18:25

Sorry, but WTF is an ace lesbian? How do they differ from ordinary lesbians?

(Don't want to Google, my tablet and work PC seem to have linked somehow).

MartyHart · 05/11/2021 18:17

I came here just to see if anyone else had read this and reacted the same way.
I laughed out loud. Absolutely bonkers!
I loved Ace in Doctor Who, I wanted to take up graffiti to be like her.
Jesus wept.

TheCloudBotherer · 05/11/2021 18:16

@ArabellaScott

If said young person is 'ace', then surely the label would be 'non-men not-loving non-men'?

I think you'll find it's NMLNMBNLT (Non-men loving non-men, but not like that)

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 05/11/2021 18:04

I'm middle-aged. If anything were to happen to DH, my vicarious experience of OLD via friends and family and Srinivasan's call to problematise every tiny flicker of desire I might experience has rendered me wholeheartedly asexual in the conventional understanding of the word.

If the Guardian has any interest in a proto-ace middle-aged person who is unlikely to ever experience desire or attraction again, I can raise my boring hand or use both to type a column that will spread this indifference (edging towards antipathy).

SolasAnla · 05/11/2021 18:04

Errrrrr...

Are we sure it was a girl?😀
As of the female persuasion girl, because it reads either way.

TGAG lesbians have to exist to grow up!🤷🏼‍♀️

zanahoria · 05/11/2021 17:54

I hope she/they find a nice non man to not have sex with

teawamutu · 05/11/2021 17:52

@ScrollingLeaves

It was the girl herself though who described herself as a ‘non male attracted to a non male’ rather than the Guardian.

The advice she received indirectly from Beaumont seemed sensitive to her feelings, but at the same time, in my opinion
quite wise. For example, suggesting that she try to be with people in real life and find her identity that way, avoid on-line communities, tell tell her parents how she felt; not to worry about having a fluid identity.

Yes, compassionate but sensible.

In effect, 'you might well grow out of this' without actually saying 'you'll grow out of this'.

bordermidgebite · 05/11/2021 17:45

I'm in doctor who with Ace

TheWeeDonkey · 05/11/2021 17:43

@ArabellaScott

If said young person is 'ace', then surely the label would be 'non-men not-loving non-men'?

See even after all the threads we've had this week I'm still a child of the 80s and when I see ace lesbian I think of lesbians who are ace.

crosshatching · 05/11/2021 17:42

Annalisa is the best, the very best, advice columnist anywhere. She's also got a good podcast.

ScrollingLeaves · 05/11/2021 17:28

It was the girl herself though who described herself as a ‘non male attracted to a non male’ rather than the Guardian.

The advice she received indirectly from Beaumont seemed sensitive to her feelings, but at the same time, in my opinion
quite wise. For example, suggesting that she try to be with people in real life and find her identity that way, avoid on-line communities, tell tell her parents how she felt; not to worry about having a fluid identity.

MadameKali · 05/11/2021 17:25

The more I think about this, if it's not a parody, it's incredibly sad.
That kid needs a hobby, preferably something in the fresh air.

ArabellaScott · 05/11/2021 17:17

As for advice, I think no one puts it better than 2 Unlimited.

'No no, no no no no, no no no no, no no there's no limit!

No no limits, we'll reach for the sky!
No valley too deep, no mountain too high
No no limits, won't give up the fight
We do what we want and we do it with pride'

FloralBunting · 05/11/2021 17:14

I'm laughing at everyone assuming spoof. Three teens at home here, wide circle of friends around them. This is completely plausible.

ArabellaScott · 05/11/2021 17:13

And if one is fluid then perhaps more a case of 'non-man not-loving non-non-men'?

ArabellaScott · 05/11/2021 17:13

If said young person is 'ace', then surely the label would be 'non-men not-loving non-men'?

IsThePopeCatholic · 05/11/2021 17:12

It’s a spoof, surely?

ferretface · 05/11/2021 17:08

I came here to post this, surely it's a parody?

Twitterwhooooo · 05/11/2021 17:08

Sadly, I don't think it's a complete spoof. It might be a pastiche - not sure many 16 year olds write to the Guardian agony aunt - but this is the reality that many of our young people, especially girls, are living in.

I thought the advice - get out there in the real world and expose yourself to different experiences - was good and sympathetically communicated.

This is one of the challenges for feminism at the moment, I think. The divide between middle aged women and younger women is so huge that it's hard to find common ground.

Mybalconyiscracking · 05/11/2021 17:06

Some people are just determined to make everything as much hard work as possible!