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Woman in Poland dies after being denied an abortion

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ArabellaScott · 04/11/2021 17:32

Tragic news from Poland. Seems a woman has died as a direct result of the ban on abortion.

4w.pub/woman-dies-after-being-denied-abortion/

'...doctors who saw the pregnant woman refused to terminate the nonviable pregnancy, even though it could have put the life of the woman at risk. Their final decision was to wait for the fetus to die on its own.

But the patient (a woman yet to be named, a choice made by the lawyer who sounded the alarm) suffered a septic shock after the fetus had died, and she didn’t survive. She leaves behind a husband and a daughter.'

'On November 1, Polish women held vigils in many places around the country in memory of the pregnant woman who had died'

RIP, and my thoughts are with her family. Flowers

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NiceGerbil · 06/11/2021 22:40

Kitten- sadly when it comes to rights esp women's rights that can be and are removed if that's what those in charge decide.

Iran, Afghanistan. Poland. More? I'm sure there are.

Sort of what we have we have been generously allowed but could be removed again.

Alonelonelylonersbadidea · 06/11/2021 18:47

@MrsTerryPratchett

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KittenKong · 06/11/2021 18:34

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KittenKong · 06/11/2021 18:34

This is 2021 for Christs sake.

My great-grandmother died as atheist result of a back-street abortion just over 100 years ago. Isn’t life supposed to get better?

AlexaShutUp · 06/11/2021 15:19

That's tragic, how awful.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 06/11/2021 15:16

Horrific, and totally inevitable.

This is the reality every time a law like this is in place. When medical staff are legally required to wait until the fetus dies, there isn't necessarily going to be time left to save the woman.

Additionally, what about the health of the women whose lives survive the mandated dilly-dallying? You can't just switch septic shock off again once it develops. This is an emergency condition, and in any other medical situation, it's something to prevent at all costs and certainly something to be treated straight away.

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Once diagnosis has identified the condition as septic shock and the source of infection has been established, treatment is imparted accordingly. At this juncture, the question that arises ishow long?After treatment has been initiated, complete recovery may take a couple to several months, depending upon the severity of the infection and the diligence observed in treating the condition. The earliest the treatment is started, the lesser the recovery time. However, in cases where organ damage has taken place, it can take the patient about several months to a couple of years to fully recover.

Most of the time, the organs which face the threat of damage from septic shock are the pancreas, kidneys, the cardiovascular and respiratory systems. Since these are vital organs, any damage therein or any instance of organ shut down can have damaging effect upon the overall health and immunity of the patient and an adverse effect on any of these organs further lowers the patient’s immune defense. Therefore, recovery time for sepsis is heavily dependent upon the extent of damage that has been caused to these vital organs as a result of septic shock.

healthhearty.com/septic-shock-recovery

Porcupineintherough · 06/11/2021 14:47

Well what a great triumph for the sanctity of life. Hmm Let's hope it peaks a few hundred, thousand people. That poor family.

ArabellaScott · 06/11/2021 14:20

Solidarity to all the women of Poland. Thinking of you all. Flowers

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Waitwhat23 · 06/11/2021 13:50

There are protests and marches organised by women across Poland this afternoon.

Patapouf · 06/11/2021 08:54

This is sickening. Her poor, poor family.

ArabellaScott · 06/11/2021 08:42

Thanks, IsThat. Perhaps this poor woman's death might spark the same change as Savita's.

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MakingTheBestOfIt · 06/11/2021 08:38

@Whatwouldscullydo

When anyone would rather both die rather than provide a termination you know its nothing to do with " saving the baby" and every thing to do witg just making sure women have no control over their body and are suitably punished fir daring to have sex.

Poor poor woman and her family. Such a needless thing happen. Yet sadly so predictable Sad

Yes, this. Whether they realise it or not.
Tillymintpolo · 06/11/2021 08:33

Absolutely horrific, makes me so angry, very similar to savita’s case in Ireland

Isthatthebestyoucando · 06/11/2021 08:29

If anyone can get to London this evening at 5:30, there is a demonstration at the Polish Embassy about this.

Embassy of the Republic of Poland
47 Portland Pl
W1B 1JH

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/11/2021 20:49

www.asn.org.uk/

They're on my charity rotation.

ArabellaScott · 04/11/2021 20:47

Me, too, Reptar.

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Reptar · 04/11/2021 20:45

This, along with the prosecution and imprisonment of women who suffer a miscarriage or still birth, is the inevitable outcome of banning abortion.

I am sick to the back teeth of the world wide war on women, the women who enable it, the men who turn a blind eye and pretend nothing is happening.

NiceGerbil · 04/11/2021 20:44

When you start looking into what's going on around the world it gets more and more shocking.

ArabellaScott · 04/11/2021 20:44

I'm sorry, gerbil but it's more than that. If a society saw a woman merely as an incubator, as a morally neutral thing, they would have terminated the pregnancy to maintain that facility. This is more than that, it's condemning her to death. Effectively murder by the state for the crime of being female.

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NiceGerbil · 04/11/2021 20:43

This has happened in USA btw.

A surprisingly large % of hosps are RC and the rules are from a senior religion type over there.

Incidents where not done termination when women miscarriage due to heartbeat/ general reluctance. Plenty poor outcomes some deaths.

Grumpyosaurus · 04/11/2021 20:43

Just horrendous. Terrible for the woman and her family.

This sort of stuff is just so depressing.

Waitwhat23 · 04/11/2021 20:28

That's truly awful. The baby was non - viable so both died for what? A system which sees women as nothing more than incubators.

NiceGerbil · 04/11/2021 20:10

YY epli.

The massive protests over the last what. Couple years how? About this. Incredible also heart breaking.

The bending of the political system to force it through against all due process and what the population want was grotesque.

I am so sorry. Women in Poland must feel just. I don't know how. Let down, ignored, worthless, enraged. Appalling.

ArabellaScott · 04/11/2021 20:06

Thanks, Epli, for the info. It's horrific that women are held hostage like this. Abhorrent.

My heart just breaks for the woman's daughter. How will anyone explain that to her?

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Epli · 04/11/2021 19:57

Please make no mistake - the majority of Polish society is actually against ban on abortion: only 10% of respondents (with expected demographic profile: over 60, less educated, from countryside etc.) would like a total abortion ban. In November last year they already banned abortion because of foetal anomalities (for which NHS routinely screens), but 75% of society support the right to terminate the pregnancy in such cases (even among the oldest 60+ this opinion is shared by 52% respondents).

However the current political situation makes the group which wants a total ban on abortion indispensable for the ruling political party to hold to the power and continue to limit independence of judges, introduce laws at odds with constitution and disregard certain democratic procedures. I am not sure if the politician I have in mind is still active, but one of the most ardent supporters of the ban on medical side used to be a retired doctor, who during communism made a fortune from illegal abortions - so this is the state of the debate and this is how seriously women's rights are taken in Poland.

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