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Women died for my right to vote, but......

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Bellaisoneluckywoman · 04/11/2021 14:36

.... who in God's name is a sane gender critical person supposed to vote for if they can't bring themselves to vote Tory?

Imagine said member of the electorate also cared a lot about the environment and loathed Brexit with every bone in her sane GC body. Who could she vote for? Asking for a friend....

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MsFogi · 04/11/2021 20:54

@amter

I am now a single issue voter, the risk to womens rights is too great to ignore. I will vote Tory, my candidate is GC.

Once we have secured womens rights again then I will vote based on the many other issues I am concerned with; environment, social services, nhs etc

Same here - I have been spoiling my vote for a number of years but now I feel I just have to hold my nose and use it for whichever candidate understands and respects biological sex.
theemperorhasnoclothes · 04/11/2021 19:44

I keep hoping the National Health Action Party will have a resurgence, but in the last few elections my choice has been Tory, Lib Dem or Labour so I've spoilt my ballot in every one.

I'd love a good NHA party candidate, SDP or independent to vote for.

I can't vote Tory because of their systematic underfunding (and destruction) of schools and the NHS and the disability benefits fiasco. All of which hugely affects women's lives too. But I simply can't ever vote for a party that tries to deny the material reality of binary sex.

GreenLunchBox · 04/11/2021 19:35

A government lasts five years max, women losing the rights to be considered an equal human in society will take centuries to reverse.

Five years MIN you mean

Mrsorganmorgan · 04/11/2021 19:33

I feel exactly the same. I did look at the SDP manifesto, and it looked fine. In Wales, the Education syllabus for next year is absolutely ridiculous, and you could call it - teaching children lies.

ArabellaScott · 04/11/2021 19:01

BlackeyedSusan, I like the line break in your post. Smile

BlackeyedSusan · 04/11/2021 18:59

can't fucking stand bloody Johnson... but Labour candidate is full on twaw and has a tiny majority.

it is either vote tory. or spoil the ballot (again) with If you can't respect my sex, don't expect my x

depends how GC they are.

amter · 04/11/2021 18:51

I am now a single issue voter, the risk to womens rights is too great to ignore. I will vote Tory, my candidate is GC.

Once we have secured womens rights again then I will vote based on the many other issues I am concerned with; environment, social services, nhs etc

Babdoc · 04/11/2021 18:46

I have no conflict of interest. I live in Scotland, and the only credible opposition to Sturgeon and her financial suicide independence plan is the Tories.
Who are also the only party who still recognise that women have rights. I live in a marginal constituency, so will make damn sure I vote Tory.

2orangey · 04/11/2021 18:16

@Bellaisoneluckywoman

I have been feeling so frustrated at the lack of a party I can vote for. The media might pick up on it if we all write the same phrase. It has to be something quick to write which doesn't take up too much space.

'No X if you can't respect my sex'.

'Woman = Adult Human Female'

Anyone got any other suggestions?

Bellaisoneluckywoman · 04/11/2021 18:03

Oh - and thank heavens for MN. Finally somewhere we can actually talk about this stuff. GAH.

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Bellaisoneluckywoman · 04/11/2021 18:02

"Is there a short, easily memorised phrase we can all write on our spoiled ballots?"

What a good idea. Would be powerful if we could get the word out and achieve mass action.

Being heard on this issue is really hard. Could YouGov or some other polling agency be encouraged to get involved?

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Lottapianos · 04/11/2021 17:54

'It's such a pity the Women's Equality Party was all about the T from day one of their existence'

Absolutely. What a catastrophic disappointment they have been

KohlaParasaurus · 04/11/2021 17:52

My local MP is Conservative (former Red Wall constituency) and has made it clear that he knows a lad is a lad and a lass is a lass and that's that. He is also a belligerent lout and no friend of women. I'd struggle to vote Conservative if he stands at the next election.

2orangey · 04/11/2021 17:24

Is there a short, easily memorised phrase we can all write on our spoiled ballots?

MsFogi · 04/11/2021 17:10

It's such a pity the Women's Equality Party was all about the T from day one of their existence. I was so excited about them until I read their manifesto when it was launched all those years ago - they would be the natural home for GC women if they actually represented Women.

Iggly · 04/11/2021 17:08

Why do people think the Tories oppose self ID? They’ve warmed to it before but admittedly dropped it.

So I just don’t trust them. Making a few sound bite comments is not enough.

bakingdemon · 04/11/2021 17:08

At the next election write to all the candidates and ask where they stand (don't use a form email or campaign - make it an individual one you're more likely to get a response). E.g. if you were in Canterbury then Rosie Duffield has been quite clear she doesn't take the party line on this issue.

SickAndTiredAgain · 04/11/2021 17:05

Why not vote Tory? I don't get why not. I am not a Tory voter but absolutely will vote for them if they oppose self ID. Is not voting Tory more important than preserving women's rights.

Depends. If I lived in Priti Patel’s constituency there is not a chance in hell I’d put a vote next to her name. I don’t care what her views are on this, because her views on everything else are abhorrent.

Bellaisoneluckywoman · 04/11/2021 16:59

I'm a former Lib Dem too, Ferretface, but had to leave the party over this issue....

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Iggly · 04/11/2021 16:57

@sashagabadon

“Tories” can be nice people you know! They’re the backbone of many community groups and local religious groups and they work as teachers, in the NHS, local council doing good work. They are your neighbours, your family, your colleagues and probably your friends too! I don’t get this anti Tory position labour voters have. You rarely see the same antagonism the other way round. Just vote Tory if you want to don’t if you don’t. There’s no need for the angst Smile
But they support a government which effectively starves people. People commit suicide because of their policies.
Iggly · 04/11/2021 16:56

I guess for me, the Tories have been in power since 2010 so I’m not sure what they’ve done to demonstrate (actually done, not said), to show that they’re really behind the issue.

So I would check their histories very carefully before relying on the statements of politicians.

For
Example, Theresa May wanted to improve trans rights in terms of gender recognition, but it was dropped. Who’s to say that the Tories won’t pick it up again? So I think I would be wary about making this a party political issue just yet.

The next election isn’t for a few years so there’s time for things to change.

MonsignorMirth · 04/11/2021 16:54

I know some proactive decent Tories, but I will never vote Tory.
I'd be total easy pickings for the Greens or Labour if they'd get over trying to reverse women's rights. Even quietly dropping it would be ok for me, like the Greens did with homeopathy etc - the previous reason I couldn't vote for them.
For a party who must know that science could provide a LOT of solutions to tackle climate change, they are horribly anti-science.

ferretface · 04/11/2021 16:52

I'm a former Lib Dem in a safe Tory seat that has been less safe in the past. Unless the Labour and Lib Dem candidates are willing to support women I will spoil my ballot knowing that will help the Tory candidate keep their seat. I hope I get a chance to debate some of the candidates at the next general election.

sashagabadon · 04/11/2021 16:48

“Tories” can be nice people you know! They’re the backbone of many community groups and local religious groups and they work as teachers, in the NHS, local council doing good work. They are your neighbours, your family, your colleagues and probably your friends too!
I don’t get this anti Tory position labour voters have. You rarely see the same antagonism the other way round.
Just vote Tory if you want to don’t if you don’t. There’s no need for the angst Smile

Reptar · 04/11/2021 16:40

I'm in a safe, woke Labour seat and will spoil my ballot again.