Women died for my right to vote, but......

Workers Party? Worth having a look at their policies - they are deff GC from a class analysis POV too

Only problem is they are small and not going to field candidents in all areas, but where they do worth looking at

I won't vote Tory, but I also won't vote for reality-denying parties who think they can guilt-trip me into being Everybody Else's Mum whilst pretending they don't know what a woman is.

It is fucking impossible. As a feminist I can never vote Tory. Their underlying principles harm the most vulnerable in society, especially women.
Their stance on self-ID, I hugely welcome. Yet it does not come from a position of giving a toss about women's rights but rather comes from a place of small mindedness and intolerance. This strengthens the view point that gender critical feminists are bigots which in the long term harms the cause.
As I care about the cause than pretty much anything I could never vote for them but would rather spoil my vote.

Why not answer my replies to your posts? How can we ever assess issues that disadvantage women when we can’t ever say what a woman is? How can we measure the inequality faced by women if the category of women includes men? How will we address lack of women in stem when many self id women work in stem? And so on& so on.

It was in a reply to a pp comment, that’s all. Ot. But I do think if the Uber right wing imf tells Tories their spending plans are too right wing and will damage the economy, there’s something going seriously wrong. Tories clearly didn’t care at the time.

However, I’d rather the economy dies a death than women legal definition remain adult human female. Explained why repeatedly up thread. We can’t ever address any women’s issues ever, including reversing self id, if self id comes in. It’s irreparable. And I’d vote in bloody trump or worse to keep self id out.

Looking forward to the bewildered reaction of YouTuber Owen Jones when his political party of choice loses yet again because of their failure to grasp that the Twitter echo-chamber of today is due to the 2018 Tumblr porn exodus and has no relation to UK voting reality.

Are you also looking forward to the bewildered reaction of disabled people as further rights, dignities and financial support is removed from them as well?

A lot of the disabled people who take their own life because of the treatment and contempt they receive from the DWP and their service providers are also women

@Lottapianos Hello! Nice to see you over here.

That's actually a good idea. In the last local election in my area I voted Lib Dem, but I have no clue who to vote for in the next GE. I'd vote for the Communist Party in a heartbeat, but they don't stand round here sadly, and it's mostly a fight between Tories and Lib Dem. (I'm not voting for the Tories, ever.)

Women's rights are very important, but we currently have people living in this country who are going cold and hungry, and it's very hard to care about anything else when you're in that situation (not me, luckily.) So no, I can't vote for a party that lets people suffer like that.

I will absolutely vote Tory if it comes to it. I want to actively vote against the parties that are trying to give away my rights, and voting for an opponent will do them far more damage than spoiling my ballot. If that means voting Tory on this occasion, so be it.

Looking forward to the bewildered reaction of YouTuber Owen Jones when his political party of choice loses yet again because of their failure to grasp that the Twitter echo-chamber of today is due to the 2018 Tumblr porn exodus and has no relation to UK voting reality.

No the imf publicly said dc ressession cuts were damaging ti the economy. They advised an increase of minimum 2% public spending. But he ignored them. Imf always want to make money, they want to economy strong. Always for their own benefit, but still sound advice.

Ifs repeatedly said labours spending plans were much better for the economy than Tories.

It’s makes no difference to me anyways. I don’t care what happens to the economy if my daughters don’t have rights.

That's something of a change of tune by the IMF. But I would stand by them not really being anything other than a promoter of globalism, so while I think the Conservatives could stand to change their public spending approach, it's not really like I love what Labour does either.

And I think it may be possible to get the CP to move on some of these things, whereas I see no hope of getting teh LP, or any of the others, to move on identity politics or freedom of thought or any of those things. And I think those are in some ways more foundational to liberal democracy. SO really the gender problem writ larger - if those things are lost having a say in party policy isn't all that likely.

Ifs repeatedly said labours spending plans were much better for the economy than Tories.

It’s makes no difference to me anyways. I don’t care what happens to the economy if my daughters don’t have rights.

[quote JustAnotherPoster00]The Tories might align to the GC brigade but they wont respect your human rights they just need to know which section of the workhouse they put you in

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-raab-human-rights-act-review-b1932579.html[/quote]
I don’t think anyone is under the illusion Tories are all pro women.

They’ve got some strong voices though. And bj has shown he can see where public opinion is going, and we all know he will do anything to get votes.

No one thinks they are great on all women’s issues. But if we can’t have a legal definition of woman being biological sex, then we can NEVER address any issue that impacts women again.

Tories disability policies won’t disproportionately impact women, because half those women will identify as men. Benefits cuts disadvantaging women- don’t be daft because stats say women are mostly employed in well paid tech jobs.

If Labour bring in self id we can never address women’s issues again.

If Tories keep self id out then at least we can have women’s only groups to address women’s issues. We can have data about just women to assess how we are being disadvantaged, so we can lobby gov to address those inequalities.

With self id us real women become invisible in law. And if we can’t name the problems that effect us we can’t address them.

I will vote Tory - I will not vote myself out of existence.

Have always voted labour. Parents work for the nhs. But I won’t vote against women and girls rights and safety.

I've always supported Labour and/or the Greens, but I will vote Tory in a heartbeat if they're going to support women over gender ideology.

I find it incredible that just as the world finally cops on to the green agenda, the U.K. Greens are naval gazing about identity politics. What a huge missed opportunity.

you vote on whoever has the majority of other most important.

One of my best friend is a local conservative party councillor. She finds it amusing that I am so troubled at having to vote Tory. But she also knows what a women is!!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/universal-credit-uplift-cut-women-b1922184.html

Cuts to Universal Credit will hit women hardest and lead to them losing billions of pounds from their annual incomes in total, figures show.

I voted Welsh conservative for the first time this year. I live in an area with a very safe plaid seat, so I knew my vote wasn't going to actually affect anything, it would have been a much tougher decision otherwise.

One of my best friend is a local conservative party councillor. She finds it amusing that I am so troubled at having to vote Tory. But she also knows what a women is!!

Because otherwise the ifs and imf have continually said over the last however many years that it’s labours policies that would be best for the economy.

I don't understand this really though - the IMF is basically a neoliberal economic organisation. If they are saying Labour = good for the economy, doesn't that suggest that Labour's economics are about libertarian economics too?

So socially libertarian and economically globalist - how is that leftist at all?

These
sdp.org.uk/policies/transgender-and-biological-sex-based-rights/

And dont forget, the Tories are on your side even if they blocked the 'upskirting bill'

www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2018/06/meet-christopher-chope-tory-mp-who-blocked-upskirting-ban

The Tories might align to the GC brigade but they wont respect your human rights they just need to know which section of the workhouse they put you in

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-raab-human-rights-act-review-b1932579.html