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Girl Guiding Safeguarding Concerns

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2fallsfromSSA · 03/11/2021 12:34

There have been concerns about GG's understanding of safeguarding for some time. The latest focus on ACE week brought some of those issues into sharp focus.

Here is the statement from SSA where we outline the safeguarding concerns. We have shared this with GG and hope they will meet with us to address the issues we raise.

If you are a member of GG, or your daughter is, we urge you to share this with the organisation and urge them to talk to us.

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2021/11/02/girl-guiding-and-asexuality/

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Voice0fReason · 03/11/2021 22:28

I can't believe that they are continuing to be this stupid.
They really have lost their minds.

Someone having no sexual attraction is not a sexuality. It is not a sexual orientation. Apparently many still have sex and enjoy it but they aren't attracted to the person they are having sex with. Just how messed up is that? Why would we want to be raising awareness of this at all, but particularly with children?

CookieMumsters · 03/11/2021 21:56

I'm a leader and this is a really important message for them.

I don't know if it matters, but some of the terms in the SSA response - the organisation is "Girlguiding" and "Guides" is one of the age groups. The problem with safeguarding affects all girls, not just guides, so Girlguiding would call them "members of Girlguiding" or "Rainbows, Brownies, Guides and Rangers"

There's more on the girlguiding Web site, in the "tone of voice" guidelines. I would hate for this not to be taken seriously because of this.

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2fallsfromSSA · 03/11/2021 21:46

Send to children's commissioner, GG trustees, your MP and ask that they investigate.

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OhHolyJesus · 03/11/2021 21:30

Is there anyone to complain to? From the Facebook post I've seen this is being driven by adults and the SSA statement should be shared with someone, anyone really!

Can we lodge a concern somewhere?

Ratherly · 03/11/2021 21:27

This is particularly chilling

^GROOMING

  1. Asexuality does not mean that a person does not have sex, it means that they have no sexual desires. It is our opinion that conversations about asexuality may groom children to see enthusiastic consent as an optional extra; this is clearly a risk. The idea that sex is some sort of obligation is not one that we believe children should be exposed to. Indeed, it may well be used to convince children that there is nothing wrong with rejecting the requirement of consent.^
MrsOvertonsWindow · 03/11/2021 21:02

Agreed - such a good piece. It's also something that many schools could do with reading.

OperationDessertStorm · 03/11/2021 20:04

Thanks for this - so useful

WarriorN · 03/11/2021 19:58

Thank you for this, a really important summary and points.

GetOutGetOutGetOutNow · 03/11/2021 18:38

I've forwarded it to my District Commissioner and County Secretary and asked them to engage with you. Thank you for doing this.

Artichokeleaves · 03/11/2021 18:37

Very well explained by SSA. Deeply concerning failures on multiple fronts, and I would not be entrusting my children under these circumstances. I feel very sorry for the staff on the ground who were not consulted about any of this.

WholeClassKeptIn · 03/11/2021 18:13

Thankyou.

My girls won't be going to guides.

mammajustkilledagnat · 03/11/2021 18:11

This is a very important statement from SSA. Bumping in case it drops out of sight. Following for response from GG.

KatieAlcock · 03/11/2021 13:06

So glad you have done this, thank you very much.

McDuffy · 03/11/2021 13:00

Mine won't be joining GG or Brownies/Rainbows until this mess is sorted out!

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2fallsfromSSA · 03/11/2021 12:56

Sadly I think they have. It started with allowing males into female spaces Nd hasn't looked back.

And very good point.

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Lovelyricepudding · 03/11/2021 12:48

ACE is the acronym for Adverse Childhood Experience. It would have been good if they actually had a week focusing on informing their leaders about that and the impact of trauma on children.

Safeguarding and girl guides seem to have parted ways.