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Kathleen Stock on BBC Woman's Hour today

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Justme56 · 03/11/2021 09:50

Just seen this on twitter.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/11/2021 11:52

Is this the Gregor Murray that is tangentially involved in part of the 'evidence base' in Maya Forstater's case?

That's the one. "Non binary" former councillor who was suspended for calling women terfs and other nasty things, from the BBC article posted above:

They said they were "severely disappointed" in the panel's decision.
Councillor Murray said: "I accept that it is not appropriate for me to swear - I have apologised for this on numerous occasions and have already accepted sanctions for doing so.
"I am also extremely worried by the precedent that this has set that TERF is an offensive or abusive term."

CharlieParley · 04/11/2021 11:51

Twitter is a cesspit on this. The amount of completely unhinged claims about Kathleen Stock, about what she is accused to have said or done, coming from academics and trans rights activists is unbelievable. I'll not name any, but what strikes me is how easy it is to refute their claims, and yet that does not stop the same claims being repeated over and over.

Which hammers home the futility of trying to counter disinformation campaigns on Twitter. It's the perfect format for making these claims, it's completely unsuitable for the conversation we're trying to have about the political implications of the doctrine of gender identity for women's rights in particular and society as a whole. Which is why I'm glad that the BBC has started doing its job on this.

Ekofisk · 04/11/2021 11:49

X post with EmbarrassingHadrosaurus Smile

Ekofisk · 04/11/2021 11:47

@littlbrowndog

And now we have one of Scotland’s kind people 🤦‍♀️
Isn’t that Gregor Murray ex of Dundee Council?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-48295000

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 04/11/2021 11:47

@littlbrowndog

A victim. Had to abuse their privilege to pass as a guy
Is this the Gregor Murray that is tangentially involved in part of the 'evidence base' in Maya Forstater's case?

twitter.com/mforstater/status/1267559842098667526?lang=en

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/gregor-murray-king-troll

Sophoclesthefox · 04/11/2021 11:46

What is it that Gregor thinks they’ve been a victim of, exactly?

How, specifically, did Kathleen Stock “bully” Gregor?

Dates, times, places, actions.

Why do people give this malevolent nonsense the time of day?

GreyhoundG1rl · 04/11/2021 11:45

The Rev?!

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 04/11/2021 11:39

Jesus. How much do you have to live inside your own head to think that, let alone type it out loud?

Walking, talking solipsism.

Datun · 04/11/2021 11:36

@littlbrowndog

A victim. Had to abuse their privilege to pass as a guy
Eh? Honestly, I've read some stuff, but that takes the bloody cake 🤣
littlbrowndog · 04/11/2021 11:35

A victim. Had to abuse their privilege to pass as a guy

Kathleen Stock on BBC Woman's Hour today
littlbrowndog · 04/11/2021 11:33

And now we have one of Scotland’s kind people 🤦‍♀️

Kathleen Stock on BBC Woman's Hour today
Datun · 04/11/2021 11:19

How are these lecturers not being prosecuted for inciting hatred?

littlbrowndog · 04/11/2021 11:08

Protected now.

Sophoclesthefox · 04/11/2021 11:00

That’s a brilliant interview with Julie and Kathleen! Thanks for posting. Well worth a watch.

It really underscored the derangement and moral bankruptcy of thinking that:

  • Dr Stock is a dangerous extremist, comparable to a Holocaust denier.
  • a college in Brighton, one of the most accepting places in the UK, if not the world, which is replete with spaces, protections and accommodations for trans and non binary people, actually poses a grave and mortal danger to them.
  • people in balaclavas waving posters with Dr Stocks name on them, and calling for her to be sacked and driven off the campus and conducting a campaign such that she had to take police advice on remaining secure in her home, and was unable to attend her place of work is any kind of “legitimate protest”.

Absolute nonsense. Total piffle. Grow up. (I’m talking to her colleagues here).

Ormally · 04/11/2021 10:58

Some time back, I emailed one steering group at the university of Sussex in connection with these unfolding events.

There's a link on the email signature from the person who replied to me that cites a 'Community Pledge'. It was intended to be mainly about Covid, but I'm reading some parts with raised eyebrows. I can't believe it's there and still, seemingly, unironic...

www.sussex.ac.uk/community-pledge
(student.sussex.ac.uk/coronavirus/community?utm_source=Staff%3A+All+UoS+staff%3B+SEF%3B+Chartwells+100720&utm_campaign=6eb978deed-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_07_08_03_13_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f5dbbf1a93-6eb978deed-370630105)

catzwhiskas · 04/11/2021 10:55

Thank you for the link to Kathleen and Julie, Arabella.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 04/11/2021 10:44

Also, her account is protected so you can't see them for yourself. Well, I can't anyway, and I've had no interaction with her at all!

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 04/11/2021 10:40

This is one member of staff that has been clearly and unashamedly involved in removing Doc Stock, as she is not in the slightest bit repentant:
twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1456178691483054082

Ormally · 04/11/2021 10:21

@MarshaBradyo

Where does access to a workplace free from bullying fit in?

I wouldn’t have to deal with that at work

Indeed. And, like most universities, Sussex presents plenty of policies that set out expected behaviour, and that which is unacceptable, that are deemed to apply to the workplace as well as to the student community. Do they have any actual application?
catzwhiskas · 04/11/2021 09:57

Only just listened to this. So sorry for KS , but pleased that she was able to speak about the terrible harassment and bullying while bringing in all the issues we are worried about. The statement from Stonewall was appalling...they do not stand up for lesbians. And no , having views is not dangerous to these fragile misogynists . I really like the idea that an army of women should return with KS to pick up her belongings as someone here suggested. An apology should be issued by WH for ignoring the elephant for so long.

prudencepuffin · 04/11/2021 09:32

[quote ArabellaScott]Julie Bindel interviews Kathleen Stock for unHerd, here.

[/quote] Going to re-post this link, (thanks @ArabellaScott) - I`ve just listened and its an excellent interview and much more detailed than the interview on Womans Hour. It gives a lot more of the background about years of bullying and her suggestion here is that some students may be very much led by some lecturers who they take on as role models and who may totally embrace gender ideology.
MarshaBradyo · 04/11/2021 08:55

@Maskless

Three aspects of this that are not said often enough.
  1. KS believes what 99% of the country - indeed the world - believes, so why is she being victimised and scapegoated as though she is alone?
  1. We all know that, if she were a man, this would not have happened. Many men in the public eye are speaking out on this issue and I've not heard of terrorists in balaclavas at their workplaces.
  1. GC women in balaclavas wielding smoke bombs and banners with words of hate against one individual named trans person would have been arrested by Sussex Police in a nanosecond and charged with a Hate Crime, and several public order offences.
Exactly

I’m incredulous

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/11/2021 08:55

GC women in balaclavas wielding smoke bombs and banners with words of hate against one individual named trans person would have been arrested by Sussex Police in a nanosecond and charged with a Hate Crime, and several public order offences

Thank you for pointing this out Maskless
The systematic lack of protection for women from intimidation and harassment (including in the workplace) is all there in plain sight.

Floisme · 04/11/2021 08:44

I imagine she came to a settlement with the university which would normally rule out further legal action and also - I would think - naming any individuals involved. I hope it was a massive payout.

Jasmine11 · 04/11/2021 08:40

I wonder if she is planning to sue the university and if this is why she hasn't named the colleagues that were riling up the student protesters? These colleagues must be feeling pretty uncomfortable right now, when it is clear that the majority of the public back and agree with Prof Stock.

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