Incredibly upsetting piece about the BBC and Savile

Do you believe that any trans person who has said violent or unpleasant things towards other people should not be allowed to speak out if they have been assaulted or raped? That they've lost their right to be listened to? Or is this just women who can only be listened to and cared about if they're proven to be wholly pure and innocent?

Because frankly I care about and would want action taken about any person being harassed and assaulted, regardless of whether I personally liked or agreed with them. That behaviour is unacceptable in all circumstances, to anyone, in any circumstances. I find this whole 'human rights are reserved only for the good and politically on message' thing really disturbing.

Catherina

ONE person has said some horrific things.

That ONE person does NOT discredit what is happening at all. And is the person who has been attributed to coining the term. Which Stonewall has used for a seminar I believe.

Try again Catherina and maybe answer the rest of that post. Or are you so comfortable in pointing out one bad person to discredit lesbians from speaking out.

Do you solely get your opinion fed to your by twitter? Can you really not see the effect of what you and others are doing?

FlyingOink I'm pretty sure there is a legal requirement for a teacher to report such abuse Or if not very strong guidance so that at least they would be dealt with under a school's disciplinary process.

The journalist, Poppy Sebag Montifiore, who wrote the article worked with Liz on the investigation at News night, according to John McManus tweet.

Honest question - are any crimes illegal to not report?
E.g. If I strongly suspected my neighbour robbed a bank would I be prosecuted if a court proved I had reason to suspect him of having done so?
Given that in some places there might be social pressure to look the other way for organised crime, a law like this would be useful.

For something like sexual abuse it totally makes sense, but I can imagine it would be difficult to prosecute. Pupil tells teacher she is being abused, teacher tells nobody because child is difficult, it turns out to be true - then what? Teacher is prosecuted for not having spoken up? How? We know from the woeful rape conviction rates that "he said, she said" normally favours "he", aren't we putting the same victim through that twice?

Or have I totally got the wrong end of the stick here?

Is that right? Is that what he means by mandatory reporting? I didn't know that.

"10 years on we've done nothing to deal with cover-up culture. There is still no law to make BBC managers or hospital chiefs or school heads report sexual abuse. Mandatory reporting now please. RIP Liz "

TedImgoingmad I didn't see that angle being examined by the person trying to derail the conversation but I take your point.

Correction.
He's removed the first tweet, but not the rest. Shame he removed the first one, it was obvious he was only drawing parallels with the ignoring of the girls involved in the JS investigation, and the long term ignoring of the Lesbians in the Cotton ceiling investigation.

"he seemed to speak in catchphrases that created what Jones described as “a screen between him and people around him”

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reminds me of something

Meirion Jones (a man btw - Welsh name) gives his take here today
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1455441412766449667.html
Actually she leaked the papers to ITV alone, he says - and BBC shafted them both.

Sadly, John McManus seems to have removed the series of tweets where he handed LOJ his arse. Presume he's been got at. Sad.

Reading all this... I wish Liz was the hero of the documentary and the JS character was a minor one, in the background only, not with a 'name' acting the role.

Well, one of the questions that piece poses is - what happened to whatever Olly Lambert was planning? He was apparently recording a lot of interview material with MacKean in 2014, presumably for a documentary?

(Interesting to see his name pop up again - he worked on Stella O'Malley's Trans Kids: It's Time To Talk, and did that entertaining talk on Posie's channel about what it was like to deal with the TRA side).

I believe there's a Blue Plaque Committee or some such thing. Women are under-represented, I have read.

A bit like public named statues. (And when they get them they're shit.)

Liz MacKean should have a statue. She should be on the fucking fourth plinth.

Dear lord.

The woman who is responsible for bringing to justice one of the most depraved predators in this country, and no-one even knows who the fuck she is.

You need to start addressing arguments on their merit

That's never going to happen. The stupid plopping, is an end in itself.

Reading all this... I wish Liz was the hero of the documentary and the JS character was a minor one, in the background only, not with a 'name' acting the role.

Thanks @Bellusaurus

OJ seems over-tired. Early bath and bed for him, I think.