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Men and women will keep their separate toilets under Government plans

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Fluffymule · 31/10/2021 13:10

Has this been shared today? Had a quick scroll through earlier posts but couldn't see it.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10148817/Men-women-separate-toilets-plans-away-gender-neutral-loos.html

"in a blow to transgender lobbyists, The Mail on Sunday has learnt that public toilets and office spaces would be required to keep separate loos as standard but can also provide another 'safe space' for those who want it."

Surely the third space option was always the obvious answer?

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sharksarecool · 31/10/2021 16:34

Will this have any implications on changing rooms? Lots of clothing stores currently only offering mixed-sex changing rooms for customers, would they be forced to reinstall single-sex ones?

Imnobody4 · 31/10/2021 14:12

Hope the wording is clear. One comment on DM article is from transwoman saying they'll continue to use the ladies as is their right.

SpindleWorl · 31/10/2021 13:54

I suppose it means that we can at least challenge men in women's toilets without being carted off for HateThink (as long as self-ID stays shelved).

But:

What about Scotland?

What about prisons and refuges?

What about the conversion therapy Trojan Horse trying to sneak the concept of 'gender identity' into yet another piece of shoddy legislation?

Much work to do.

LizzieMacQueen · 31/10/2021 13:47

@GreyhoundG1rl I think selfID is very much still on in Scotland - unless I've misunderstood.

GreyhoundG1rl · 31/10/2021 13:43

@Hoardasurass

But a 3rd space doesn't affirm or validate there identity so is hateful or atleast that's what usually gets screamed at anyone who suggests it
Tough shit. We're not there to validate anyone when we're in the fecking loo.
Hoardasurass · 31/10/2021 13:40

But a 3rd space doesn't affirm or validate there identity so is hateful or atleast that's what usually gets screamed at anyone who suggests it

Mouseonmychair · 31/10/2021 13:39

Great news men don't want their urinal provision taken away by mixed sex toilets anyway. Good result for everyone.

GoodnightGrandma · 31/10/2021 13:37

Exactly. Have mixed loos and changing rooms as well.

GreyhoundG1rl · 31/10/2021 13:37

@TurquoiseBaubles

Yes, but what's a woman and what's a man?
Well, with self ID off the table hopefully we'll actually be allowed to object to obvious males in the Ladies? Or am I being hopelessly naive? Probably Sad
MrsWooster · 31/10/2021 13:35

A blow only to those whose trans identity is so precarious as to depend entirely on the affirmation of others. A huge boon to those who get real distress from being in the space allocated to their sex rather than their gender.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 31/10/2021 13:35

Good.
That's what happens when someone actually asks women what we want. The vast majority of women say no to sharing loos with unknown males .

TurquoiseBaubles · 31/10/2021 13:34

Yes, but what's a woman and what's a man?

GreyhoundG1rl · 31/10/2021 13:30

in a blow to transgender lobbyists, The Mail on Sunday has learnt that public toilets and office spaces would be required to keep separate loos as standard but can also provide another 'safe space' for those who want it."
So, safe spaces for all who need them. Where is the "blow", exactly? Ffs!

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Fluffymule · 31/10/2021 13:22

This bit from the article is important - "A YouGov poll this summer found that fewer than one in 20 women supported the replacement of men's and women's lavatories with gender-neutral ones"

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SorryAuntLydia · 31/10/2021 13:17

Well this is good news.

Although tiresome that we keep having to fight the same old battles.

But small hurrah anyway.

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