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NHS trusts face Stonewall scrutiny on LGBT inclusion

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flyingbuttress43 · 31/10/2021 11:44

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/30/stonewall-judge-nhs-lgbt-inclusion/

"40 NHS trusts may be assessed by Stonewall on their LGBT inclusion in a £220,000 taxpayer-funded project, the Sunday Telegraph has learned".

"The trusts can sign up to be benchmarked after NHS England awarded the contract, titled NHS Rainbow Badges to 5 LGBT groups. Trusts will be given bronze, silver or gold awards depending on their "inclusive cultures" and "trans status monitoring" with assessors hired on a higher starting salary than nurses. A leading role will be played by Stonewall......." etc.etc. blah blah.

A Stonewall spokesperson is quoted: "We're proud to support the NHS Rainbow Badges programme to ensure that all lesbian, gay, bi, trans and queer people have access to accessible and inclusive health services, and are free to be themselves."

So does "free to be themselves" indicate we can still expect be-penised ladies in female wards even though hospitals are to be given new guidance by the equalities regulator on preserving single sex wards?

All to be paid for by us mugs, aka tax payers.

So the discredited Stonewall still has its nose in the trough despite many high-profile organisations and government departments withdrawing from its diversity scheme.

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KittenKong · 02/11/2021 19:23

“Department of Health pulls out of Stonewall scheme amid single-sex wards row”

From the telegraph. Oops darn...

CruellaDeVilla · 01/11/2021 22:41

@Artichokeleaves

Hang on a minute, this is a highly contentious controversial group where the issues of this being a political lobby who openly
  • misrepresent the law
  • ignore, teach and reward subordination of the other 8 protected characteristics in the Equality Act
  • are biased against and intentionally mislead against the equality, rights and access of women and reward acting against women's equal best interests or hearing their concerns
  • have questionable attitudes towards safeguarding
  • have obviously highly contentious attitudes towards LGB people which many LGB people perceive as actively homophobic

And they are going to scrutinise and judge on how well the NHS as an impartial group with a duty of equality and public service to all are serving their partisan, exclusionary and highly political agenda?

Who the actual fuck signed off on this?! Is the government mad?

Quite. Can’t someone put in a FOI request?

This is taxpayers money.

Olderbadger1 · 01/11/2021 22:33

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4390721-Baroness-Nicholson-letter-RE-Stonewalls-influence-in-the-NHS

Please sign Baroness Nicholson's letter asking for an urgent review of Stonewall's suitability and independence (hollow laugh).

KittenKong · 01/11/2021 20:04

Clipboard will be inserted?

FannyCann · 01/11/2021 19:17

I rather hope one of their rainbow assessors with a clipboard comes my way (though I doubt my trust is one of the participating trusts so I will be disappointed). But if I do meet one I shall say I have listened to the Nolan podcasts and concluded that Stonewall is a bullying lobbying group who have overreached their remit and spread false information. So No Thankyou. I won't be participating.

endofagain · 01/11/2021 17:58

Email sent. Lets see if MP replies. I had to redraft it several times as it was looking a bit like a howler...

KittenKong · 01/11/2021 10:16

Keerching!

FemaleAndLearning · 01/11/2021 09:38

I love Stonewall's use of language
A Stonewall spokesperson is quoted: "We're proud to support the NHS Rainbow Badges programme

Support, you are being paid to do this from taxpayers!

highame · 01/11/2021 09:26

LGB & T for sure need healthcare looked at but SW ffs

highame · 01/11/2021 09:25

So angry Angry, thought things were improving but it appears not. We seem to be ignored, therefore are we being conned? Are there one or two political allies who are being ignored by Civil Servants and public services. Do they believe that we'll just have to live with this because that's where we're headed. Is anyone going to look at where our money is spent - isn't there an organisation called The Taxpayers Alliance?

I think I'm going to explode. Public opinion means zilch and we are living in Orwellian times. Puff, grunt, grinds teeth, thumps table.

I had been calming down of late because of lots of coverage but I now see none of that matters.

Leafstamp · 01/11/2021 07:56

@endofagain

I am going to have to write to my MP again. For the 3rd time in as many weeks. I am just doing my tax returns, so I am even more outraged than usual about the waste of my taxes, deducted at source by my employers, the NHS, for 40 years.
Quite!

Keep writing!

FannyCann · 01/11/2021 06:50

I'm fuming. My trust used to do a whole week induction for new starters to the trust, whatever their role. When DD started as an HCA fresh out of school two years ago she really enjoyed it and took it very seriously. There was clinical stuff like resuscitation, manual handling, dementia, sepsis (she was awe struck by the lovely sepsis nurse) and trust stuff like information governance, getting your IT requirements sorted, payroll, fire. There's a lot! She also enjoyed meeting new starters in their various roles.

Now, post Covid , it is all either online or "within the department". We have a new starter today, someone very experienced. But my manager has set aside the next two days to go through stuff with her and she can't start work until a lot of things have been covered off. We also have an incredibly busy day today with several difficult procedures and now we are effectively one member of staff down.
I'll be on my knees by this evening.
We also have recruited 15 new staff as the equivalent of HCA in the department (we're not a ward so the work is different) who are all being inducted as we go along. The ones that have come to my area have included a new school leaver and a top pastry chef who has decided to come to the NHS for a change. So much work supervising and training as we go along.
Let's hope someone remembers to go through the rainbow stuff with them though....Angry
Doing this induction on the wards will be so hard for the staff, they are already so short staffed, they need support and help not extra work like this.
This is how trusts are cutting back and saving money.

endofagain · 31/10/2021 22:23

I am going to have to write to my MP again. For the 3rd time in as many weeks. I am just doing my tax returns, so I am even more outraged than usual about the waste of my taxes, deducted at source by my employers, the NHS, for 40 years.

Piapiano · 31/10/2021 21:12

Such a total waste of money. Its scandalous. This is not what the NHS should be spending money on when people are needlessly dying due to lack of appointments/clinics/delayed screening and surgery. What can we do to raise awareness of this/complain?

littlbrowndog · 31/10/2021 21:12

Well yeah. Spend the money on staff and patients not some wee project stonewall the lobby group has said you have to,spend the money

Don’t appease stonewall

Pyewackect · 31/10/2021 21:08

Who’s got time for this shit ? . It’s hard enough keeping the patients alive ! We desperately need more staff. Spend it on that.

littlbrowndog · 31/10/2021 21:03

@FannyCann

Add in the number of Dr's who introduce themselves as Mr Jones/Dr Smith etc, yet assume they may use the patient first name.

LOL.
I remember a consultant gynaecologist introducing himself as Mr and proceeding to call the patient Susan. She said "If you're Mr X you can call me Mrs Y". Grin

That’s it.
KittenKong · 31/10/2021 20:29

That was the whole effing point of the ‘my name is’ bloody badges! So your patients could see your name (and feel comfortable) - not so you can push your bloody pronoun/shoe size/star sign on them!

FannyCann · 31/10/2021 20:26

Add in the number of Dr's who introduce themselves as Mr Jones/Dr Smith etc, yet assume they may use the patient first name.

LOL.
I remember a consultant gynaecologist introducing himself as Mr and proceeding to call the patient Susan. She said "If you're Mr X you can call me Mrs Y". Grin

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/10/2021 20:25

Yes it was

https://twitter.com/MForstater/status/1444970057751306241?s=20

A TRA asked if "the terf responsible had been fired" for a complaint made about the scheme mentioned by the Rainbow Badges account.

They replied "it's an understandable but incorrect assumption that a terf was responsible"

Confused
Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/10/2021 20:21

Wasn't it one of those "rainbow badge groups" who had to delete a tweet where they called women terfs?

Leafstamp · 31/10/2021 20:05

@KittenKong

How can this be stopped in its tracks. Who signed it off - who approved the budget, who suggested it in the first place (sack them all).
I’ve seen that Baroness Nicholson is going to organise an open letter.

mobile.twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1454882689048252419

SolasAnla · 31/10/2021 19:44

@RosesAndHellebores

I've read it. The salaries are one on about £28,500 and one on 30,000 and the 220 appears to be across 40 Trusts. Whilst it irks me to say it, this is probably about management doing something to appease the unions within the NHS rather than a purposeful diversion of funds from care. £220k is a minute percentage of the overall budget for 40 Trusts and possibly dampens down a great deal of other nonsense and provides positive evidence in relation to diversity claims brought by a very small number of staff against the Trusts.
I presume that is the direct cost for the 5 LGBT groups?

Each Trust would have to allocate time and staff to roll the benchmarked award winning culture across the organisation.
Each Trust will have a number of locations too so thats a indirect hidden cost and opportunity cost for other projects.

Add in the KPI culture can lead to target fixation to the detriment of other service user needs.

Was it not Brighton Trust who documented that staff to lie to female patients who recognised when men were placed on a female ward and were racist in comparing such a male to a Black Woman?

Grumpyosaurus · 31/10/2021 19:18

Fucking hell - how did Stonewall get to be judge, jury and executioner like this?

And as PP have said, what an insane waste of money.

twelly · 31/10/2021 18:57

An appalling waste of money - the NHS needs health care professionals. This is not what should going on and just shows how messed up society is when this is seen as a priority.