Labour chat forum: “TERF arguments are the same as transphobia”

That’s the LaboutUK sub I got banned from. I only said something in support of the LGB Alliance, I was called a bigot - they see LGBA as a hate group,

[quote FionnulaTheCooler]"There have been no documented cases of men pretending to be a trans woman to access women’s toilets for nefarious purposes"

Except there have. Here's one off the top of my head, I'm sure others can be found. metro.co.uk/2019/03/16/transgender-woman-18-sexually-assaulted-girl-10-morrisons-toilet-8914577/[/quote]
The statement and the story aren't mutually exclusive. Stonewall reckon that anyone who says they're trans is trans. So that leaves one conclusion in these cases.

I once saw someone on MN claim that having a nose job meant any future offspring would inherit the new nose. I reckon these people are cut from the same intellectual cloth.

The front page of that subreddit has 12 out of 27 stories about some trans topic or other. It's quite clearly moderated by obsessive incels.

OP sorry not RTFT but looked at link.

Is this just a random Reddit group or something labour party official?

If the former then really. So what? Same old shit. Random group.

Lol. The state of the comments. Apparently biological female is an offensive term. And sex has nothing to do with chromosomes.

And it's apparently mystifying how doctors work out the sex of babies when they are born.

Bunch of misogynistic muppets.

Is this from Reddit? Why does it say Reddit at the top?

"There have been no documented cases of men pretending to be a trans woman to access women’s toilets for nefarious purposes"

It's a bit Catch-22, isn't it? A man arrested for sexual assault in a space reserved for women can claim to be a woman. Thus, the crime is recorded as being committed by a woman although it was committed by a man.

biological female" is a bit of a meaningless term. Hormones and surgery change biology, that's the point

Wonder what Prof Winston would say? .

And any number of actual scientists.

They're making themselves a laughing stock.

Is this in forums?

As an aside I saw this via endocrine society link (which I don't think is particularly U.K. based, it's a global group.)

www.endocrine.org/our-community/special-interest-groups/transgender-research-and-medicine

Learning objectives:

	Distinguish the effect of puberty blockers, estrogen and testosterone on bone turnover in transgender patients.
	Outline the clinical approach to bone health for transgender people on Gender-Affirming Hormone Therapy.
	Compare and Contrast Bone Mass & Bone Remodeling in Young Adults to Aging Cis-Women & Men, and in transgender adults and adolescents on Gender-Affirming Hormone Therapy.

They should check out r/transmaxxing the incel to trans pipeline is real.

Also, good - the more this lot behave like lunatics the sooner the Labour Party and every other group which has allowed itself to be co-opted by gender ideologues implode the better.

What exactly is a TERF argument? Is it like a turf war? It that how they envision women fighting for rights, like west side story minus the music?

Or it it when TERF’s wrestle each other in a tub of ky jelly? Silly Labour lads, that’s called porn. You watch so much and never learned the name??

Or when we answer men in a way that isn’t ‘you’re so right/strong/sexy’? It’s that one isn’t it??

Good to have it confirmed yet again that I, a former party member and until now lifelong Labour voter, should no longer be voting Labour.

My unwanted terf vote will have to go elsewhere. Labour has plenty other votes to replace it, I’m sure.

A trans person may well be biologically closer to the sex typically associated with ther actual gender than the sex that is more commonly associated with the gender assigned to them at birth (Or they may not, it's not the defining quality).

Say what now??

What about the case in the USA where the dad was arrested for protesting about the response to his daughter being sexually assaulted in the toilets?

"There have been no documented cases of men pretending to be a trans woman to access women’s toilets for nefarious purposes"

Erm....Wispa?

A great example of what happens when you allow males to 'self Id' as female.

[quote FionnulaTheCooler]"There have been no documented cases of men pretending to be a trans woman to access women’s toilets for nefarious purposes"

Except there have. Here's one off the top of my head, I'm sure others can be found. metro.co.uk/2019/03/16/transgender-woman-18-sexually-assaulted-girl-10-morrisons-toilet-8914577/[/quote]
I don't think that incident was a man pretending to be a transwoman. I think that was a 'genuine' transwoman (although I don't know how you tell the difference).

So what it shows is that some transwomen are sexual predators.

But there was also Karen White, who (I think) is a man who pretended to be a transwoman in order to access women in prison.

The Labour leadership must know it's there. Perhaps they're testing the water. I will never vote for Labour whilst kier starmer is at the helm after his cervix comments.

I am surprised that the Labour leadership would allow this to stand if they didn’t agree.

That is pretty much a manifesto like we have seen before.

Love this. Seems they went to the same Biology course as Starmer and Lammy.

"biological female" is a bit of a meaningless term. Hormones and surgery change biology, that's the point.

Someone actually thinks that cosmetic surgery, and the using synthetic cross sex hormones literally changes someone into the other biological sex.

Thanks for clarifying @OvaHere I think I shall continue to ignore reddit then!