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I also did the quiz and my result was ‘agender’. So I don’t have a gender. Although ‘agender’ is itself a gender. So that’s total nonsense.

@Millicispud I don't think you answered my question below as to what makes someone 'cis' in the context of your other statements - you would have to consider your gender 'female'? (Or male if you are biologically male). But not 'woman'? I still don't grasp how you might identify your gender identity specifically as female but not woman or vice versa, how exactly are these delineated?

*Thank you for responding! So, as you say if your sex is female and your gender is woman, you are trans.

If your sex is female, and you have no gender, you are trans.

If your sex is female, and your gender is male, you are trans.

So what is cis again?*

What's a man identity though. What do or don't transwomen have that doesn't match with the men identity

Well I did that quiz above and surprise surprise it decided I was agender. So I'm trans, I'm also a woman so I must be a trans woman but I'm female so I can't be a trans woman. Oh god I'm back lost in that maze again

@Millicispud Your analogy with sexuality doesn’t work because people know who they are attracted to (and what sex- not gender- the objects of their attractions are).

I can find out my sexuality by honestly asking myself: ‘Am I attracted to men, women or both?’

What question can I ask myself to find out what my gender is?

How can we know what gender we are?

[quote Millicispud]@OldCrone

None of the people looked 18 months at all, youngest looked like 5 or so.

And how does anything in that article have anything about stereotypes? There's no mention of them anywhere in the article.[/quote]
I posted this on the other thread - it's about one of the children mentioned in the article.

www.them.us/story/texas-mother-trans-child-kimberly-kai-shappley-joe-biden-op-ed

The last time I felt this way was after my daughter, Kai, began asserting her identity at just 18 months old. Our story is similar to that of so many other families blessed to raise transgender youth. From almost the beginning, she told us who she was, fashioning her t-shirts into dresses and becoming obsessed with Disney princesses. At first I thought that she was gay, until I slowly came to the realization that God had given me a baby girl, not a boy.

18 months old and all about stereotypes.

But there are over 100 genders what's specifically r the traits if a woman gender identity?

If we just "are" cis, whether we agree with it or not, and you're going to call those who you believe to be cis that whether they like it or not, why can't we call trans women what they are, which is men, whether they like it or not?

Woman generally refers to gender but is often used interchangeably with female.

Ok, so when you use "woman" to mean gender, and "female" to mean sex, they are different. They don't "match".

I agree it's essential not to conflate sex and gender.

How you know is almost exactly how you know your sexuality. The majority of people are straight and cis and don't have to "change" anything or do any real work. Nor do they get asked "so, how do you know you're straight?".

I know my sexuality because I know I'm attracted to men, not women. How would I know my gender?

Trans women are women because thats simply what they are mentally, personally and culturally.

What does this mean? How is someone a woman mentally, personally and culturally? How would I know whether I was a woman mentally, personally and culturally?

they are everything us cis women are except for biology.

Like men then?

@frumpety

Nobody is saying you can't.
Unless you're being me, then I'm saying no because identity theft is not a joke.

"Trans women are women because thats simply what they are mentally, personally and culturally.
they are everything us cis women are except for biology."

And what is everything a cis woman is, except for biology? Without reference to stereotypes and gender roles?

I have to say, I'm completely baffled by the idea that gender is what I am mentally, personally, and culturally. Mentally, I'm all kinds of things - happy, sad, anxious, imaginative. Personally, I'm again all kinds of things - a fan of wine, a dog owner, sci fi reader.. And I'm not clear on what I am culturally. I guess my culture is British? Your definition of gender is far too encompassing. It seems to apply to refer to every single property about me, which can't possibly be what you mean because then gender collapses into as many genders as there are people.

@OldCrone

None of the people looked 18 months at all, youngest looked like 5 or so.

And how does anything in that article have anything about stereotypes? There's no mention of them anywhere in the article.

I'm not Cis. I'm a woman.
Transwomen are transwomen.

Can I not just be me ?

The term 'cis' used in respect to sex or gender is made up, nonsensical nonsense. It's a Latin prefix meaning 'on this side of' and has only been used in this context since about 2004. We've had many, many posters with scientific backgrounds, used to the term cis being used in their research, come on here to say that in the sex/gender context, 'cis' is meaningless.

I really don't care how much gender ideologists foot stamp and insist that I allow others to refer to me as 'cis' or that I refer to myself as 'cis'.

No.

When there are consequences for people who forget to use people's preferred pronouns, it's ridiculously hypocritical to then insist that people name themselves with a term they don't identify with (and as mentioned earlier, is utter nonsense).

@NarcissistsEyebrows

Essentially, gender is what you are personally, mentally and culturally.
Sex is what you are medically and biologically.

How you know is almost exactly how you know your sexuality. The majority of people are straight and cis and don't have to "change" anything or do any real work. Nor do they get asked "so, how do you know you're straight?".

As a lesbian, I found out my sexuality fairly early on, some others didn't discover it until later. They're still lesbians.
Same with trans people. My sis knew when she was 5 or so.

Trans women are women because thats simply what they are mentally, personally and culturally.
they are everything us cis women are except for biology.
My younger sister's trans so I've done a bit of reading about it.

Woman generally refers to gender but is often used interchangeably with female. But obviously you don't call other women "females" unless you have a neck beard / fedora or are a Farengi from star trek.

www.who.int/health-topics/gender#:~:text=Gender%20refers%20to%20the%20characteristics,as%20relationships%20with%20each%20other.

[quote Millicispud]@Forgotthebins

Sure thing

Sex and gender are often linked, the vast majority of men are male and women are female, but as we can see with trans people, it's not always the case.

Gender expression is just a matter of how you like to express your gender or whatnot. Realistically, it's kind of irrelevant most of the time, but some people find it food to dress up how they like and express their masculinity/femininity in a way that suits them.

Gender roles/stereotypes is all that sexist bunk were trying to move away from.
Stuff like only women can like cooking and sewing and only men can be truckers and what not.
Gender roles is sorta cultural sexism, the idea that your gender or sex registered at birth should determine the rest of your life.

Gender itself is different.
It's the personal sense of self, oftentimes this is matching the sex of the person.[/quote]
Just coming back to this assertion that gender is nothing to do with stereotypes, and yet if you look on this thread about so-called 'trans children', the children all 'know' that they are trans, because of sterotypes. Some at the age of 18 months.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4388357-If-people-havent-peaked-already-this-is-parents-in-Texas-and-some-very-young-looking-trans-children

So if it's nothing to do with stereotypes, why are these children declaring themselves'trans' and being encouraged in this by their parents, entirely because of stereotypes?

And how can these children be so sure about their gender at such a young age, when nobody has been able to explain what gender is to the women on here?

Welsh Government are waist deep in the type of obfuscating language that keeps popping on to this thread. It destroys the capacity for rational thought - which is no doubt the point.

“Male supremacy is fused into the language, so that every sentence both heralds and affirms it. Thought, experienced primarily as language, is permeated by the linguistic and perceptual values developed expressly to subordinate women. Men have defined the parameters of every subject. All feminist arguments, however radical in intent or consequence, are with or against assertions or premises implicit in the male system, which is made credible or authentic by the power of men to name.

No transcendence of the male system is possible as long as men have the power of naming... As Prometheus stole fire from the gods, so feminists will have to steal the power of naming from men, hopefully to better effect.”

Andrea Dworkin. Wish she was still with us.

Will someone just tell us what this gender identity/expression/straight up gender is?

In words of one or at most two syllables in any sodding language so that we can all understand.

What confused me about the whole gender thing is that it seems entirely separate from what you'd typically think of gender being... So for example when I used to think about gender and what it meant I thought it was things as ridiculous that nursery rhyme "what are little girls and boys made of"... You know the one- sugar and spice and all things nice Vs the snips and snails and puppy dogs tails BS. As a "tomboy" growing up it always felt like maybe I wasn't quite right as a girl. Thank god social media wasn't around then.

Anyway. Once you start going and looking through the over 100 (and rising) genders that people have started to identify as it's basically about sexual or romantic attraction or lack of- going off the definitions- or in some cases just wanting a label (I'm looking at you demisexual....). What is weird is how this labelling is now defining people as their most important characteristic/ sense of self. I don't get it. It's undefinable by anyone who is a proponent of it because the minute you start trying to explain it it's a total nonsense.

I'm not cis. I am a woman. Who I'm attracted to and why is no one's concern. Whether or not my evident birth sex matches my internal sense of self is again- no one else's concern. In response to a pp- there's already a term where cis isn't required. It's woman. If you need to separate out trans women from women then the prefix "trans" is already there.... If you then want to add whatever nonsense on to that as a descriptor then that's your call but it's not for all women to adopt cis just because we're being told to be nice 🙄. Going off everything I've read I'd fall under trans and so would my husband. He's bloody useless at "man" stuff and takes about 5 times longer to get ready than I do. I love DIY, cars and rarely wear make up or dresses. Ah fuck it. Maybe I'll be cakegender.

How so many intelligent people and respected organisations can have been taken in is beyond me.

This is the real mystery. Why so many people would rather chant the nonsensical mantra 'TWAW' and prefer to look like idiotic biology deniers than actually state facts like 'only women have a cervix'.

Why?

Gender itself is different.
It's the personal sense of self, oftentimes this is matching the sex of the person.

How do any of us know what category our personal sense of self is?
I know that my way of womaning is different to other women I have come across. In fact all the women I know woman in different ways.
My personal sense of self is personal to me.
I don't see how it can match or not match my sex - that makes no sense.

I am not and will never be cis. I don't need any prefix, I am a woman. No-one who is not a woman can possibly be a woman so prefixes are pointless.

A man who believes they want to be, or should be, or even are a woman, might call themselves a transwoman. That's what they are. Them being a transwoman is no reason for me to change the words I use to describe myself.