#CisIsNotASlur trending on Twitter

Because the options are cis or trans.
It is a statement of fact.

Ok, so I've done the quiz and it's confirmed my inner lifelong belief that I am agender, so therefore I am trans.
So I am a transwoman.

Still female and still not cis.

Trans women are women because thats simply what they are mentally, personally and culturally.

The thing I and every straight woman have in common, is that we are attracted to men. Some of us may choose not to act on that, others might have numerous relationships but we meet the definition of being straight women by being attracted to men and not women.

There is nothing that I have in common with every other woman, other than our biology. We all have the body type designed for getting pregnant and giving birth. There is nothing mentally or culturally that I have in common with every other woman. You are talking about stereotypes again. The things that many women are trying to abolish because they are so harmful to everyone.

Now the most unambiguous way to answer that is to say "I am a cis woman", because a trans woman would also say "I am a woman"

They might say all sorts of things, yes. I'm not required to agree.

Colonisation of women's words and spaces by males isn't something I want to collude in.

Now the most unambiguous way to answer that is to say "I am a cis woman", because a trans woman would also say "I am a woman".

And that is males forcibly pushing women aside. Because we need to distinguish ourselves from men, and we need the words to do it. I am not letting go of woman. Lying shouldn’t be tolerated.

But Catherina why do you wish to differentiate yourself from trans women, when simply asked if you identify as a woman?
Is there a difference in the 'identity' of cis and trans women?

Yet if a woman says "I am a woman" she is speaking truthfully.

A man can only truthfully say "i identity as a woman". Because they cannot be a woman.

Now the most unambiguous way to answer that is to say "I am a cis woman", because a trans woman would also say "I am a woman".

Exactly. 🙄

'Do you identify as a woman' requires a yes/no answer.

Your answer is to the question 'are you a woman?' And in most circumstances it wouldn't matter. But where it does, your answer should be 'I am a transwoman.' Then you will be able to access the appropriate services.

I don’t expect anything more from Catherina because they have not produced any usable definition in all their time on this board.

Hi, my name is Catherina and my pronouns are she/her. Thank you.

Catherina if you believe that TWAW, why do you need the cis descriptor to identify yourself as other due to your masculine presentation?

I don't "present" as masculine at all, wardrobe is all full with Boden clothes. In online discussions I have been asked

"do you identify as a woman"

Now the most unambiguous way to answer that is to say "I am a cis woman", because a trans woman would also say "I am a woman".

I was told on the training to use the terms that people want to describe themselves. This does not appear to be the case with cis which women are told to accept.

I'm still not 100% certain that it isn't a prejudice that I should be addressing.

I think one very good reason to think this isn't a prejudice is because gender ideologues never want the whole "woman" identity, lock, stock and barrel. They want to cherry-pick parts of "being a woman", like feminine clothes and appearance, a submissive role under very specific circumstances, entry to female-only spaces, female body configuration and physiology related to reproduction. I've never seen a gender ideologue suggest that lower pay, lower pensions, default responsibility for caring roles, being talked over in meetings or passed over for promotion are desirable parts of "womanhood".

There is a very clear common theme to the parts of "woman gender identity" that are coveted, and this theme relates to a fictionalised, filtered version of what it is to be a woman. I think it is understandable that this makes many adult human females, who can't just cherry-pick the "rewarding" bits of womanhood, uncomfortable.

Your understanding is correct.

Cis is a pejorative term that attempt to redefine the meaning of the word 'women' as having two subsets - 'cis' and 'trans' women. As opposed to those two groups being the exact opposite in real life.

So no, you aren’t wrong! (In my opinion).

@firsttimedad79

Some people believe ‘cis’ is needed to modify the words ‘woman’ or ‘man’. This is because they believe that there is more than one way to be a woman/man. So they believe that there are ‘cis women’ (who are female) and ‘trans women’ (who are male).

Most of us on this board don’t share that belief. Many of us are happy to use the word ‘transwoman’ to describe a male human who wishes he was female/sees himself as female. But we reject the term ‘cis’ to describe ourselves. We are women.

Hi,

I know it's not often the best place for a bloke to post on this board but I have read a lot on here with interest.

I don't understand what cis is?

As far as I understand there are:

Men
Women
Trans men
Trans women.

Or am I wrong here?

The rise of scientific and objective, logical reasoning has been to the benefit of women - unlike men we cannot rely on physical strength to win our battles.

You should be able to enjoy your reality of being a woman and it makes complete sense that that logical and material reality grounds your sense of self and place in the world. That is not transphobia.

It makes no sense that a male can think he is a woman, an adult human female, and demand that everyone else agree.

"Woman" gender identity isn’t “I am”, it’s “I want what she’s having”

I've always felt this very keenly, and I'm still not 100% certain that it isn't a prejudice that I should be addressing. I am in almost all ways "non gender conforming" according to many current social gender norms. I have more in common with some men than I do with many women. And yet, being a woman is incredibly important and special to me, and a huge part of my identity. Quite aside from the very real and sensible arguments for women's rights and women's safety, which really are the main issues here, I just don't want to share my identity. If a man is able to snap his fingers and declare himself a woman, that leaves me feeling completely unmoored, and I don't like it. And if I'm being completely honest with myself, I think this might actually be a bit transphobic of me.

@Wildfart what a fun quiz! Even with utterly shit questions with unreasonable & senseless options, it turns out I'm either agender, female, bigender, male or pangender. Huzzah, what a glorious time!

It's all just waffle but I am boosted by the recent changes-Nolan, the BBC piece on lesbians being coerced & Margaret Atwood deviating. It feels like there's a definite shift & the horizon is hopeful

Also calling a woman a cis woman is to make a distinction between her and a transwoman. A male. Who on earth thinks that women will put up with being defined always in reference to a male?

I don't need a descriptor to state I'm not trans. Just like I don't need one to state I'm not a pelican.

Thanks, EishetChayil — this is the answer I’ll be giving in future!

I may vary the last word for variety, if I have to point this out quite often.

‘Feelings’. ‘Knowing’. Mental health.

Let’s just mention the word delusion; having a belief (usually related to one’s self) in something that is demonstrably and objectively false.

The Cleveland Clinic also has this to say about delusional disorder;

“Delusional disorder, previously called paranoid disorder, is a type of serious mental illness — called a “psychosis”— in which a person cannot tell what is real from what is imagined. The main feature of this disorder is the presence of delusions, which are unshakable beliefs in something untrue. People with delusional disorder experience non-bizarre delusions, which involve situations that could occur in real life, such as being followed, poisoned, deceived, conspired against, or loved from a distance. These delusions usually involve the misinterpretation of perceptions or experiences. In reality, however, the situations are either not true at all or highly exaggerated.

People with delusional disorder often can continue to socialize and function quite normally, apart from the subject of their delusion, and generally do not behave in an obviously odd or bizarre manner. This is unlike people with other psychotic disorders, who also might have delusions as a symptom of their disorder. In some cases, however, people with delusional disorder might become so preoccupied with their delusions that their lives are disrupted.”

I think it is really important that more people recognise that people can have delusions but do not necessarily appear to be stereotypically mentally unwell or ‘crazy’ in all aspects of their life. They might be very logical about accounting for example but still hold a delusional belief about something else.

Of course some one who sincerely but delusionally believes they are Elvis might start dressing like Elvis, so it would become obvious in person.

Problems for the delusional person and other people comes where the delusion intersects with or crashes against, real life.

Interesting to talk about mental illness that involves delusions isn’t it.