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"Ace week" in girl guiding.

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WarriorN · 30/10/2021 11:33

What fresh hell....

Thankfully a number of posters really not impressed. Worrying number think it's entirely appropriate Hmm

https://www.facebook.com/girlguidinguk/photos/a.398392309681/10158689026444682/?type=3

But it was worth reading it to find this excellent analysis of "Ace" identity and issues around it.

bryndisb.substack.com/p/asexuality-queering-the-mundane

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BloodinGutters · 04/11/2021 07:07

@2fallsfromSSA

I’m going to be printing off your gg letter to take to school. Ty

TheWeeDonkey · 04/11/2021 07:04

@NewlyGranny

I guess the flag could be vanilla stripes on a vanilla background? I love vanilla - it is a highly prized, fragrant spice with a distinctive flavour, not an absence of anything interesting.
I hate the term vanilla when talking about sex. Its so unhelpful. I guess this is why asexuality and "demi sexuality" are now seen as "queer identities" when really it covers more people that you'd expect.
PumpkinGin · 04/11/2021 07:02

I find this really sinister. Some children are sexualised early. This is a massive societal problem but these children need targeted help.

The solution isn’t to bombard all children with information about sex at every opportunity.

TheWeeDonkey · 04/11/2021 07:01

@LobsterNapkin

I just don't know why there isn't one f*%$ing place where kids can go to learn skills and have some fun without being subjected to being hassled about their various identities.

It must be bloody exhausting.

No wonder they are all so anxious and depressed. They need to go out in the woods and light fires, or learn to sew, or run a community program to get rid of littler. Not get farther and farther into their own heads.

Bloody well said.

I said similar to this on the AIBU thread and got told to fuck off! Although it seemed there were some poster on there who weren't exactly acting in good faith.

Whatwouldscullydo · 04/11/2021 06:48

No wonder they are all so anxious and depressed. They need to go out in the woods and light fires, or learn to sew, or run a community program to get rid of littler. Not get farther and farther into their own heads

Oh god yes.

The worst thing is that they don't actually care. This is all just creating a problem so they can flog GG some training to solve it.

Wandamakesporridge · 04/11/2021 06:47

If that is true, then those are abused children one way or another who have been sexualised by someone, or seeing pornography. A 6 year old who has not been abused in this way, and who does not feel sexual attraction, does not have a ‘sexual’ orientation called ace.

I totally agree - it’s not common for primary school age children to be engaging in sexual activity and there would be serious concerns if they were. They may have ‘boyfriends’ or ‘girlfriends’, but this is very different from actually having sex!! The NSPCC PANTS guidance is helpful for this age group.

Fabfabiane · 04/11/2021 06:21

@LobsterNapkin

I just don't know why there isn't one f*%$ing place where kids can go to learn skills and have some fun without being subjected to being hassled about their various identities.

It must be bloody exhausting.

No wonder they are all so anxious and depressed. They need to go out in the woods and light fires, or learn to sew, or run a community program to get rid of littler. Not get farther and farther into their own heads.

Totally!
LobsterNapkin · 04/11/2021 00:29

I just don't know why there isn't one f*%$ing place where kids can go to learn skills and have some fun without being subjected to being hassled about their various identities.

It must be bloody exhausting.

No wonder they are all so anxious and depressed. They need to go out in the woods and light fires, or learn to sew, or run a community program to get rid of littler. Not get farther and farther into their own heads.

ScrollingLeaves · 03/11/2021 22:43

@vinsurvin

“@MrsOvertonsWindow I'm sorry to break it to you, but children do have sexual relationships. Children are increasingly being sexualised from a very young age. Children have 'boyfriends' and 'girlfriends' at primary school. It's an unfortunate truth that children are having sex or experimenting with sexual touching while still at primary school. You might not like it, but it is the reality and will continue to be so - the average age of puberty is getting younger and younger in Western society which means sexual feelings are kicking in younger and younger. “

Please if you have a link to that information would you post it?

If that is true, then those are abused children one way or another who have been sexualised by someone, or seeing pornography.

A 6 year old who has not been abused in this way, and who does not feel sexual attraction, does not have a ‘sexual’ orientation called ace.

FindTheTruth · 03/11/2021 17:10

It's recruitment. It's recruitment to gender identity. simple. describe 99% of children broadly, tell them it's 'their gender identity', show a pretty flag .... and so it begins

MrGHardy · 03/11/2021 16:58

Ah, maybe I can identify as a girl and ace for a week, get some nice attention, could use it at the moment.

Wandamakesporridge · 03/11/2021 16:51

I saw this tweet and was disturbed and horrified that Girl Guiding thought this was in any way appropriate for a children’s organisation.

My daughter was a Brownie and had a very positive experience - and the reason I was keen for her to take part was because the group was a safe space that allowed the girls to do age-appropriate activities without any pressures.

To me this Tweet really rang alarm bells. What does a Guide leaders sexuality have to do with anything? Why should this be discussed with children?

It’s a shame as Brownies and Guides should be a fantastic space for children and young women, but I would be concerned about what is being discussed in the groups. To be honest I haven’t rushed to sign my youngest child up.

Clementineapples · 03/11/2021 16:29

Barf

KatieAlcock · 03/11/2021 16:27

Because they get their kicks from the hurt they cause and the life ruined rather than from a sexual thrill.

And as we know supposedly straight men can rape gay (or straight) men. I guess I've always thought they were closeted gay men but they could well just be straight and cruel.

Terfydactyl · 03/11/2021 15:13

@Sittinginthesand

IMO the rebranding of asexuality as ‘ace’ is a bit of a red flag in itself, I’m not sure I can put my finger on why though. I also seem to remember an ages old interview with Rolf Harris talking about not really having sexual feelings.
I know what you mean. On the topic of ummm people like Rolf Harris, it can be true that sexual feelings are not important. Because they get their kicks from the hurt they cause and the life ruined rather than from a sexual thrill. And of course some people like the sexual thrill as well as causing hurt and ruining lives. From a survivor of such a person.
KatieAlcock · 03/11/2021 14:38

They are in Extracurricular.

TedImgoingmad · 03/11/2021 14:02

@2fallsfromSSA

I know some people have posted our article in their guiding groups and there has been no response. People just do not want to see it. Shocking really

There is a GG leaders group on MN. I posted the article there. Will see if anyone there wishes to engage.

Not sure it's a case of not wanting to see it, but not being able to say anything on a GG forum without being grassed up and hounded out in the way Katie and Helen were. I don't do any GG social media, but my fellow leader does, and says she's seen a lot of wtf comments about ACE week.

Never seen a GG leaders group on MN! Where on the site are they, I've looked but can't see them?

averylongtimeago · 03/11/2021 13:26

Most guiding groups on fb just delete any posts on this issue. If you persist, you are banned from the group.

2fallsfromSSA · 03/11/2021 12:58

I know some people have posted our article in their guiding groups and there has been no response. People just do not want to see it. Shocking really

There is a GG leaders group on MN. I posted the article there. Will see if anyone there wishes to engage.

Helleofabore · 03/11/2021 09:50

@secular111

twitter.com/Girlguiding/status/1453708383849156617

The ratio. My god the ratio!

I couldn't find a single reply in support.

But the number of replies missing the entire point that it is not appropriate for guide leaders to be discussing their sexual orientation with children (accept in passing comments about family status etc).

Sometimes I feel people are as thick as mince and will refuse to see the issue because they are so deep in a entrenched view. It is not a personal attack on whether someone is of any sexual orientation, it is the point of discussing it with children and ensuring safeguarding is able to be fully adhered to.

TedImgoingmad · 03/11/2021 09:46

@secular111

twitter.com/Girlguiding/status/1453708383849156617

The ratio. My god the ratio!

I couldn't find a single reply in support.

When you scroll down the page, there's a meme saying , "So you platformed a genocidal rapist to own the trans". Why is this on the GGUK twitter page? Where children might see it?
littlbrowndog · 03/11/2021 09:38

Good piece from. Ssa

secular111 · 03/11/2021 09:36

twitter.com/Girlguiding/status/1453708383849156617

The ratio. My god the ratio!

I couldn't find a single reply in support.

Clymene · 03/11/2021 08:22

Sorry there's a random black line on that flag. It knew I was taking the piss Sad

Clymene · 03/11/2021 08:22

@NewlyGranny

Are we starting to need a label, a flag, a lengthy description and a spectrum diagram for people who first get to know someone, then fancy them, fall in love and start a relationship?

I'm feeling a bit underprivileged and endangered without all that right now!

There's one already! Someone told me on another thread that you're a demisexual!

Here's your flag. Now you too can be part of the queer community Smile

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