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If people haven't peaked already - this is parents in Texas and some very young looking "trans" children.

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PickAChew · 30/10/2021 00:34

www.them.us/story/texas-anti-trans-sports-law-youth-under-attack

The UK may be slowly turning in the right direction but the ferocity displayed in this article tells me that we're going to have a long battle ahead.

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girafferafferaffe · 30/10/2021 23:24

@SuperSleepyBaby

The video linked in the article of the child. When he was aged 3 and acting “like a girl” - his mother was investigating conversion therapy. She also says she was “really spanking” him to get him to stop acting “like a girl”. At 4 he was suicidal so she saw the light and accepted he was a girl. I wonder what will become of him when he grows up?
Jesus this is horrendous
MrsMadderRose · 30/10/2021 23:22

Yes exactly the same here Known. I even remember aged about 8, thinking about how I should have been a boy and feeling sad that I never could be. But that was not because I was a boy! It was because society told me that the stuff I liked was "boy stuff".

And not long after that, I cam to terms with it, and I love being a woman and am happy I grew up able to have a sex life and kids, unsurprisingly enough. I was a tomboy, and that was a really useful category for me, because a tomboy is a type of girl, and despite gender stereotypes existing, it's not derogatory - it just means a girl who doesn't do the feminine stereotype.

Genderists often like to bang on about "third genders" in various societies, but what they actually are is categories that allow for some people not fitting in, and giving them other options, with varying degrees of limitation. Tomboy is a good positive example of that, which we should embrace - and it would be good if there was an equivalent positive category for non-masculine boys.

Knownbyanothername · 30/10/2021 22:33

If I was a child now there’s every chance I would have fallen into that category. Had friends who were all boys, loved train sets and science and maths and Mechano, hated skirts and frilly things (still do). Am proudly female. Luckily in the 70s it was just called being a tomboy and largely ignored.
Still love maths 🙂

TrainedByDinosaurs · 30/10/2021 20:16

The focus on conformance to stereotypes for very young children is depressing

MingeofDeath · 30/10/2021 19:51

These trans kids always have precocious language skills don't they. I remeber Jazz Jennings' mother saying that the first words out of Jazz's mouth were something like " I want a vagina". Absolutely amazing for a toddler!

andyoldlabour · 30/10/2021 17:59

A 10 year old having a calendar full of business meetings?
Because that is normal for a child of 10?

MrsMadderRose · 30/10/2021 17:52

It’s the lobotomy of our children’s generation. Only instead of that horror of abuse being done behind closed doors this is celebrated publicly as progressive.

It's so unbelievably tragic and awful that this is going on publicly and being accepted and celebrated by those in authority and even doctors.

Can you imagine if this massive trans trend/takeover hadn't happened and a parent whose young boy liked dresses decided that meant they needed hormones and surgery to turn them into a girl and tried to make that happen? They'd be seen as a monster.

PickAChew · 30/10/2021 17:29

I have a lanky, skinny teen boy. A few inches taller than me but a couple of stone lighter. He is way stronger than I am despite being not at all athletic.

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Serenschintte · 30/10/2021 16:54

I my children school there is a male bodied girl on the girls football team. This male bodied girl has decided to be very physical with my friends daughter - female bodied girl. They are too worried to complain as they are concerned about being judged as transphobic. But this male bodied girl is in their teens, much stronger, more muscle etc. This is where ‘be kind’ has got us.

PickAChew · 30/10/2021 16:48

Didn't mean to post and run. I didn't so much seek out a story from the US as Google threw it into my news feed, last night. Even if I hadn't read it (well stumbled through it, with a renewed sense of wtf with every paragraph) I'd have struggled to even begin to unpick it.

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BloodinGutters · 30/10/2021 15:16

@SirSamuelVimes

It’s the lobotomy of our children’s generation. Only instead of that horror of abuse being done behind closed doors this is celebrated publicly as progressive.

Lobotomy was celebrated. It was seen as progressive.

This is no different, except that it is so much more visible (as is everything) as a result of the internet & social media.

By families? I was under the impression doctors celebrated how progressive it was for the medical profession, but not something families went around bragging they ‘needed’ done to a child.

Having a trans child, especially a very young one like the op examples, is (frequently) the new way for (some) families to feel super special and to advertise themselves as such to the world to receive applause for being so super special.

*not knocking any parents who are struggling with teens who are coming out trans from the gender woo in schools and peer groups.

SirSamuelVimes · 30/10/2021 15:11

It’s the lobotomy of our children’s generation. Only instead of that horror of abuse being done behind closed doors this is celebrated publicly as progressive.

Lobotomy was celebrated. It was seen as progressive.

This is no different, except that it is so much more visible (as is everything) as a result of the internet & social media.

BloodinGutters · 30/10/2021 15:01

@endofagain

This has literally made me shiver. It is reminiscent of a belief in witchcraft and exorcism. Victoria Climbie came to my mind. It really isn't so different IMO, yet one is recognised as child abuse and the other is celebrated and encouraged.
It’s the lobotomy of our children’s generation. Only instead of that horror of abuse being done behind closed doors this is celebrated publicly as progressive.
endofagain · 30/10/2021 14:59

This has literally made me shiver. It is reminiscent of a belief in witchcraft and exorcism. Victoria Climbie came to my mind. It really isn't so different IMO, yet one is recognised as child abuse and the other is celebrated and encouraged.

Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet · 30/10/2021 11:49

I don't even know what to say....there are so many issues at play here!

TheMarzipanDildo · 30/10/2021 11:42

“The last time I felt this way was after my daughter, Kai, began asserting her identity at just 18 months old. Our story is similar to that of so many other families blessed to raise transgender youth. From almost the beginning, she told us who she was, fashioning her t-shirts into dresses and becoming obsessed with Disney princesses. At first I thought that she was gay, until I slowly came to the realization that God had given me a baby girl, not a boy.“

And they say we’re like the religious right Hmm There’s homophobia and God in that one.

TheMarzipanDildo · 30/10/2021 11:39

@SuperSleepyBaby

The video linked in the article of the child. When he was aged 3 and acting “like a girl” - his mother was investigating conversion therapy. She also says she was “really spanking” him to get him to stop acting “like a girl”. At 4 he was suicidal so she saw the light and accepted he was a girl. I wonder what will become of him when he grows up?
That’s downright abuse Sad

Horrendous.

CovidCorvid · 30/10/2021 07:38

@Knownbyanothername

“Transing away the gay” is a thing. In some states it’s more acceptable than having a child who doesn’t conform to strict cultural gender roles. It’s desperately sad.
Yes I see quite a bit of homophobia in some parts of the trans community. Really sad.
SickAndTiredAgain · 30/10/2021 07:37

@OldCrone

There's a link in the article to another article about one of the children mentioned.

www.them.us/story/texas-mother-trans-child-kimberly-kai-shappley-joe-biden-op-ed

The last time I felt this way was after my daughter, Kai, began asserting her identity at just 18 months old. Our story is similar to that of so many other families blessed to raise transgender youth. From almost the beginning, she told us who she was, fashioning her t-shirts into dresses and becoming obsessed with Disney princesses. At first I thought that she was gay, until I slowly came to the realization that God had given me a baby girl, not a boy.

An 18 month old transgender child, with the child forming their 'identity' based completely on stereotypes.

Everything about that is absurd. How exactly does an 18 month old fashion a t shirt into a dress? Doesn’t that just mean not wanting to wear trousers? And liking Disney princesses being an indication that they’re gay?? What planet is this woman on.
Knownbyanothername · 30/10/2021 07:25

It’s such a twisted logic isn’t it?
What God has given her is a human being who is dependent upon her to be brought up accepting the character they’ve been blessed with. Not to shoehorn them into some preconceived cultural stereotype. She should be utterly ashamed.

BloodinGutters · 30/10/2021 07:23

18 months??

At 18 months old my kids used to strip naked every chance they got and crawl around with the dogs woofing and wagging imaginary tails.

OldCrone · 30/10/2021 07:18

There's a link in the article to another article about one of the children mentioned.

www.them.us/story/texas-mother-trans-child-kimberly-kai-shappley-joe-biden-op-ed

The last time I felt this way was after my daughter, Kai, began asserting her identity at just 18 months old. Our story is similar to that of so many other families blessed to raise transgender youth. From almost the beginning, she told us who she was, fashioning her t-shirts into dresses and becoming obsessed with Disney princesses. At first I thought that she was gay, until I slowly came to the realization that God had given me a baby girl, not a boy.

An 18 month old transgender child, with the child forming their 'identity' based completely on stereotypes.

Knownbyanothername · 30/10/2021 06:59

“Transing away the gay” is a thing. In some states it’s more acceptable than having a child who doesn’t conform to strict cultural gender roles. It’s desperately sad.

WarriorN · 30/10/2021 06:52

One thing I do know is that an article like that would be read here and help to solidify in some parents' minds (those who believe the ideology etc) that questioning the ideology is child abuse rather than the other way round.

SuperSleepyBaby · 30/10/2021 04:37

The video linked in the article of the child. When he was aged 3 and acting “like a girl” - his mother was investigating conversion therapy. She also says she was “really spanking” him to get him to stop acting “like a girl”. At 4 he was suicidal so she saw the light and accepted he was a girl. I wonder what will become of him when he grows up?