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Kathleen Stock has resigned

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nevernomore · 28/10/2021 17:13

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kathleen-stock-resigns-from-universuty-of-sussex-after-trans-rights-row-h0pns6lds

I wish she hadn't. Bullies should not be allowed to win. It just emboldens them.

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FindTheTruth · 16/11/2021 11:05

Agree Prudence. Re replies, I'm hoping we don't get 'both sideism'

HoL starts at 2:30pm and it's the 3rd question

The link is here. parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/ece90084-ba21-4f3f-a0da-83f410e28bab

Oral questions: Investigation into the circumstances of the resignation of Professor Kathleen Stock from her post at the University of Sussex

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath (Labour)

prudencepuffin · 16/11/2021 10:12

Good to keep the Kathleen Stock story in the news. An awful cautionary tale of what can happen when the gender crowd get above themselves. Will be interested to hear the replies on this in the HOL.

FindTheTruth · 16/11/2021 04:57

Lord Hunt (labour peer) will ask an oral question about Professor Kathleen Stock in the House of Lords Tues 16th November

Tweet
Philip Hunt
@LordPhilofBrum
I have an oral question tomorrow @UKHouseofLords on the terrible treatment of Professor Kathleen Stock @Docstockk at Sussex University @LabourLordsUK

Rhannion · 03/11/2021 12:07

Wasn’t it fantastic! Too much time on “ gender studies “ eh?

BaronessBomburst · 03/11/2021 12:02

As an aside did anyone enjoy the recent performance by the University of Sussex on University Challenge?
They lost to Birmingham by 235 points. In fact at one point in the game they had a score of minus 5.

Kathleen Stock has resigned
missfliss · 03/11/2021 11:59

seen there is a whole seperate thread on this - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4391827-Kathleen-Stock-on-BBC-Womans-Hour-today

missfliss · 03/11/2021 11:41

Thanks for sharing the link below - It's good to listen to if you can, you really hear it in her voice - it's appalling what has happened to her.
She is an amazing interviewee

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 03/11/2021 11:37

@missfliss

Woman's Hour interview with Prof Stock today - available now on the website
Woman's Hour interview with KS covered in Daily Mail:

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10158517/Kathleen-Stock-endured-years-bullying-reputation-trashing-STAFF-Sussex-University.html

missfliss · 03/11/2021 11:33

Woman's Hour interview with Prof Stock today - available now on the website

ScreamingMeMe · 01/11/2021 21:23

Angela Richardson MP (there's a video with her tweet):

"Today I asked
@michelledonelan
about the Freedom of Speech Bill and how it will uphold Freedom of Speech in our Universities following the sad news of Professor
@Docstockk
resigning from
@SussexUni
last week due to a sustained campaign of harassment and bullying."

twitter.com/AJRichardsonMP/status/1455242975391408134?s=20

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/11/2021 21:13

Totally confusing as not only is that not what she said at all, it's also a traditional old-fashioned view that many people wouldn't find that controversial.

Which is what Kemi Badenoch has said.

ScreamingMeMeSawUs · 01/11/2021 20:51

I wonder if they can't possibly believe that someone saying that biology is real and matters in a number of situations is deemed controversial, and therefore think it must be more complicated than that. I agree it is frustrating.

MrsMadderRose · 01/11/2021 18:34

And also getting it wrong. I heard one R4 presenter say that KS's "controversial" stance was saying that sex mattered more than gender in determining "social roles".

Totally confusing as not only is that not what she said at all, it's also a traditional old-fashioned view that many people wouldn't find that controversial. It's amazing how many people don't get it or look it into it a bit so that they could get it.

StandUpStraight · 01/11/2021 17:22

I read that Telegraph article this morning, and while it is good to see relevant people in positions of authority finally saying something about this, I am very tired of the “contentious belief” and “controversial views” label being applied to the understanding that biological sex exists.

ScreamingMeMeSawUs · 01/11/2021 13:42

Extract:

Academics must not be “silenced”, the university watchdog chief has said, as he warns vice-chancellors that they must protect free speech.

Lord Wharton, chairman of the Office for Students (OfS), said scholars must be able to put forward their views - even if they are contentious - without fear of intimidation.

It is his first intervention since Professor Kathleen Stock resigned from the University of Sussex amid a row with transgender activists.

Writing for The Telegraph, he said: “Academics cannot be expected to engage fully with their disciplines if they fear complaints which could effectively end their careers. They must be protected to ask difficult questions.”

He warned vice-chancellors that they must meet their obligations to uphold free speech on campus, adding new legislation will not only strengthen the legal duties of universities but also increase the regulator’s powers to address any transgressions.

Under proposed changes to the law, universities will be given a new legal duty to actively promote free speech on campus, and this will become a new condition of registration with the OfS.

This would mean that any institutions which fail to uphold free speech could be investigated and fined, or sanctioned, by the regulator. Other proposed changes will ensure student unions, as well as universities, are subject to the duties to promote free speech.

ScreamingMeMeSawUs · 01/11/2021 13:39

Academics must not be silenced, says university watchdog chief

In an exclusive article for The Telegraph, Lord Wharton says it is the duty of vice-chancellors to protect free speech on campus

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/31/academics-must-not-silenced-says-university-watchdog-chief/

McDuffy · 01/11/2021 13:39

Gah, sorry! I will head over there!

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 01/11/2021 13:30

[quote McDuffy]Couldn't see this posted? Sarah Ditum in the Times

Trans activism is on the retreat. Let’s hope Professor Stock is these bullies’ last victim

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3422b888-39a5-11ec-a14e-75e3a4bcdc4c?shareToken=d17ece528e95daeb02bbedfb04302548[/quote]
Thread about Sarah Ditum's article (50+ posts):

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4389163-Trans-activism-on-retreat-Sarah-Ditum-Sunday-Times

McDuffy · 01/11/2021 13:23

Couldn't see this posted? Sarah Ditum in the Times

Trans activism is on the retreat. Let’s hope Professor Stock is these bullies’ last victim

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3422b888-39a5-11ec-a14e-75e3a4bcdc4c?shareToken=d17ece528e95daeb02bbedfb04302548

ErrolTheDragon · 01/11/2021 11:25

I'm not sure the Times is accurately characterised as 'right wing'- it's not the 'torygraph'. It often has columnists from different parts of the political spectrum.

ScreamingMeMeSawUs · 01/11/2021 09:49

It's come to something when right wing news is leaving left wing news in the dust in relation to free speech and police overstepping.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/11/2021 08:49

There's also this in the Times today in addition to the other two pieces.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/it-isnt-the-polices-job-to-stop-people-being-offended-xj5vz7k05?shareToken=8ea1c04acd933ea903ca89da4a59fc5d

RepentMotherfucker · 01/11/2021 07:29

@MargaritaPie

inews.co.uk/news/world/afghanistan-evacuation-lgbt-people-afghan-rescued-taliban-arrive-uk-1275695

And Stonewall's tweet: twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1454350575110344707

@Flibberty, all I'm going to say is that there is more than 1 side of the debate on that matter.

But you just said it was 'fact and can be easily verified'. Right there. 5 posts back. Half an hour before this post.

Is it fact, or are there two sides to the debate?Because those are different things. You know that, right?

Right?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/11/2021 07:28

Excellent articles.