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Kathleen Stock has resigned

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nevernomore · 28/10/2021 17:13

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kathleen-stock-resigns-from-universuty-of-sussex-after-trans-rights-row-h0pns6lds

I wish she hadn't. Bullies should not be allowed to win. It just emboldens them.

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morningtoncrescent62 · 29/10/2021 00:03

Kathleen's resignation does indeed send all sorts of terrible messages about how you can bully someone out of their job. But that's no reflection on her. She's been through sustained attacks on her since 2018, and that's just what's in the public domain - there's probably lots more we don't know about. Through all of them she's remained calm and dignified. I can't begin to imagine the toll it must have taken on her, and I wish her nothing but good things. Shame on everyone who had a part to play - the students and colleagues who attacked her, the managers who did nothing to stop the harassment apart from issue a statement far, far too late, UCU who sided with bullies, and senior colleagues who could have spoken up but didn't (no blame for the junior colleagues on temporary contracts who've been cowed into silence). Some worrying implications, though, for the rest of the sector.

GCAcademic · 28/10/2021 23:34

@MargaritaPie

"In her shoes, I'd be considering suing for constructive dismissal"

How? She left entirely on her own accord.

I would like to thank the students and staff of Sussex University who spoke up and raised concerns regarding her views and her association with the controversial LGB Alliance.

More gaslighting shit from you.

Is there any situation where you don’t think that women deserve whatever abuse and bullying they get?

viques · 28/10/2021 23:28

I am sorry to hear this, but completely understand why she has resigned, why the hell should anyone put themselves through hell to try to educate ignorant spiteful bullies and ultimately make their lives better. Their education will be the poorer because their thinking won’t be challenged.

I only hope that in ten years time when this crap has flowed under the bridge those entitled farts are mature enough to reflect on their actions and realise how appalling their behaviour has been.

KimikosNightmare · 28/10/2021 23:27

MargaritaPie

"In her shoes, I'd be considering suing for constructive dismissal"

How? She left entirely on her own accord

Oh good grief- what do you think "constructive dismissal" means?

It means the employer has created, or failed to deal with a, situation in the workplace which is so toxic that it becomes intolerable to the point an employee can no longer continue in that workplace.

I thought of constructive dismissal too.

Grumpyosaurus · 28/10/2021 23:25

@MargaritaPie, it would be great if you understood what 'constructive dismissal' actually meant.

It would be bloody fantastic if you would open your eyes and accept that people who disagree with you have a right to free speech, and that holding screeching demos and hounding someone isn't 'raising concerns' but is outright bullying. Wasn't she advised to bring security to campus?

Honestly, I don't know why I bother to engage with you.

nauticant · 28/10/2021 23:23

Oh, I see that MargaritaPie has now switched their attention to Professor Stock. The focus of their attention was on Marion Millar until this morning but for some reason it's now switched.

MargaritaPie · 28/10/2021 23:21

"Is there a place Professor Stock can go where activists won't find her?"

We could start a crowdfund for her so she can start up her own Uni?

MargaritaPie · 28/10/2021 23:18

"In her shoes, I'd be considering suing for constructive dismissal"

How? She left entirely on her own accord.

I would like to thank the students and staff of Sussex University who spoke up and raised concerns regarding her views and her association with the controversial LGB Alliance.

REDHERO · 28/10/2021 23:17

The only community that appears to matter is trans. What about women the ones who are biologically women. We are supposed to bow down and step aside and let men who want to be women dictate now.

REDHERO · 28/10/2021 23:16

That's awful.

The pro trans bullies have won. Men who want to be women but bully women into their though processes to protect the men who now think they are women's rights. I hate these men women who aren't women and their baying bullying supporters.

LumosSolem · 28/10/2021 23:10

I've just ordered her book as a tiny way of showing some solidarity.

I hope sales skyrocket after this.

The child bullies may feel pleased right now but Kathleen has brought so much sunlight and even this will continue to do so.

GCmiddle · 28/10/2021 22:47

Kathleen Stock has been hounded out of her job for expressing views which everyone knew to be true until a few years ago and which practically everyone still believes, whether they feel free to say so or not.
Who will be next? Things are already looking very difficult for Jo Phoenix. They have been difficult for long time for Michele Moore. Selina Todd and Rosa Freedman get a lot of stick. Where does it end?

CruellaDeVilla · 28/10/2021 22:47

Those comments under the Times article are encouraging

So sorry she has resigned. But completely understand why.

SammyScrounge · 28/10/2021 22:39

Is there a place Professor Stock can go where activists won't find her? That is the real horror of these campaigns - they will stick to her like glue.

SammyScrounge · 28/10/2021 22:33

Perhaps there is a case for cancelling gender studies. Now that the students have
established that they will determine what is taught, there seems little point in giving it subject status.
It is also time to root out trans teaching from schools to protect children from indoctrination.
Right now there are lecturers and teachers
all over the UK who are falling silent for fear of getting the Stock treatment.

IdrisElbow · 28/10/2021 22:32

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PricklesTheHedgehog · 28/10/2021 22:30

It seems so unfair. I hope Kathleen knows there are so many who agree with her. I hope she can read read this supportive thread.

LizzieSiddal · 28/10/2021 22:27

He also provided “evidence” of Kathleen “not supporting the trans community” when she writes that “Sex trumps gender ID”. Hmm

And as Selina Todd said, that is based on evidence.

SpringCrocus · 28/10/2021 22:26

Am incandescent with anger

Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet · 28/10/2021 22:25

@nauticant

In a roundabout way he basically said that although no one should receive the treatment Stock got, the problem is that her views, as misrepresented by him, harm the trans community.
It's that big 'but' again isn't it....

^No one should be harassed and bullied to the point that they have to leave their job BUT if you are going to express views that deviate from the approved dogma then......🤷‍♂️'

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 28/10/2021 22:22

Thanks Nauticant.

nauticant · 28/10/2021 22:21

In a roundabout way he basically said that although no one should receive the treatment Stock got, the problem is that her views, as misrepresented by him, harm the trans community.

nauticant · 28/10/2021 22:19

There's definitely a faction at the BBC who really want to expose what's going on. I think they're aware that the BBC could easily turn into a Sussex University of the media world.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 28/10/2021 22:16

What did Tatchell say?

Cuck00soup · 28/10/2021 22:16

How very sad. As PP have said, she has to look after herself but what a shame it has come to this.

And what a shame that students will miss out on her teaching.

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