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Women need to raise a class action

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ArabellaScott · 28/10/2021 10:29

... to ensure that misogynist males with grievances against them cannot abuse the police and court system to cause suffering, stress and harassment.

I know nothing about the law, can anyone advise?

Is it feasible to do this?

I'm in Scotland.

I'm glad Marion Millar's case was dropped, but more needs to be done. We can't allow the system to be abused and used to target and harass women like this.

It's already happened far too often.

Marion Millar
Ceri Black
Posie Parker
Caroline Farrow
Kate Scottow
Linda Bellos
Venice Allan

This has to stop. The law is not meant to be there to harass women. The law should be there to protect women from harassment.

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Chrysanthemum5 · 28/10/2021 11:06

And the issue for Marion is that the papers can't report what she actually said so it's left with this vague feeling that maybe she said something awful

nauticant · 28/10/2021 11:01

One offensive thing is the way that the "hate" in "hate crime" is so vague as to be meaningless and that it's interpreted according to whatever is currently in vogue on certain parts of social media.

It would seem to go against the concept of legal certainty: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_certainty

yourhairiswinterfire · 28/10/2021 10:58

@Ereshkigalangcleg

It's unacceptable. Have they set a deadline for this "review" on behalf of the "affected people"?
Should be within a month, if I'm looking in the right place? Though it doesn't say it has to be, so the threat is still there.

www.copfs.gov.uk/publications/victims-and-witnesses

Victims Right To Review

Please be aware that from 1 July 2015, you, as a victim of crime in Scotland, have the right to a review of a decision by us not to prosecute, made on or after 1 July 2015. You should if possible apply for a review within one month of the date you are informed of our decision not to prosecute. Generally you would be told of the review decision within 20 working days.

Helleofabore · 28/10/2021 10:57

@ArabellaScott

I don't know, Eresh.

It's not right that the government are using vague threats to try to control and manipulate people.

This is not how a liberal democracy is supposed to work.

And yet it is.

What a huge mess!

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 28/10/2021 10:56

It's unacceptable

Completely and utterly

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ArabellaScott · 28/10/2021 10:52

I don't know, Eresh.

It's not right that the government are using vague threats to try to control and manipulate people.

This is not how a liberal democracy is supposed to work.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/10/2021 10:51

We know we don't have a case, but we want you to feel intimidated anyway.

Spot on.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/10/2021 10:50

It's unacceptable. Have they set a deadline for this "review" on behalf of the "affected people"?

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ArabellaScott · 28/10/2021 10:45

Exactly, Datun. It's great news for Marion but the chlling effect remains in place, just as those who misuse the system wish it to be.

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Datun · 28/10/2021 10:43

See anyone who has been following this will just be hearing more of the same.

We know we don't have a case, but we want you to feel intimidated anyway.

PronounssheRa · 28/10/2021 10:43

I agree that activists, usually men are using the law and the police as tools to silence people, usually women, who they disagree with.

The question is what can be done.

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ArabellaScott · 28/10/2021 10:40

Cat and mouse is spot on.

' A spokesperson for the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service said: “Those directly involved have been informed of an update in this case and there is a right to call for a review of this.

“Until any review has been completed the question of whether or not there will be a prosecution remains open.

“The Crown reserves the right to proceed and will not comment further.” '

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ArabellaScott · 28/10/2021 10:39

Although a prosecution could still go ahead, the move indicates that is now less likely

FFS.

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 28/10/2021 10:37

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19678238.prosecutors-discontinue-hate-crime-case-scots-feminist-marion-millar/

I hope this doesn't turn into a cat and mouse. I have to say that I don't understand how/if the complainants could compel the prosecution to proceed but it's left as a dangling threat.