BBC responds to backlash to article about lesbians being pressured into sex by some trans women

"you think so many young men are attracted to protesting against women's sex-based rights. Certainly, most of the 'protesters' I've seen at these anti-women protests have been male. Often young men"

I didn't say young men, I said young people. There are plenty young men and women who support Stonewall and oppose the likes of LGBA. I've seen a number of middle-aged and old men support the LGBA too.

I came across a video by the new Green Party leader and she says it better than I could regarding the LGBA. They don't exist to help LGB people, they exist to oppose trans people and to oppose LGBT organisations who help transpeople.

It's the exact same thing over and over again though isn't it.

Girls and young women thinking that the world is now a safe equal place because that's what we try to give them - and also trying to identify out of any thing they don't like (eg "I'm not like the other girls").

Then growing up and seeing that the world is still as sexist as it ever was, and of course you're not really going to fix that within, what, 50 or 60 years?

Lots of us only became feminists as we grew older and saw it all, while becoming more empowered with age and not giving a shit about what people think of us anymore.

This is the same.

When I was twenty I couldn't have imagined being 40 something either yet here I am. We all get older, if we're spared. You should be ashamed of your overt ageism but instead you're wearing it like a cloak. 'Check your privilege'.

Pie, you seem.to be aligned with some very dubious people.

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Some of her researchers are little angels too

[quote Helleofabore]And of course, Margarita, you are fully aware that a well known TRA Kirsty Blackman is very tolerant and very much known for their being on the ‘right’ side. This is what you mean isn’t it?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/owen-paterson-kirsty-blackman-tweet-b1952396.html[/quote]
Goodness. I think I remember the protesters outside the first conference for the new Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual Alliance posing proudly with her.

And of course, Margarita, you are fully aware that a well known TRA Kirsty Blackman is very tolerant and very much known for their being on the ‘right’ side. This is what you mean isn’t it?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/owen-paterson-kirsty-blackman-tweet-b1952396.html

Do you forget what Frank Luntz discovered while he was here doing research just this year? That the 18-28 year old group are the LEAST tolerant of all age groups.

Sometimes it really is like going backwards. Protesting women's meetings, targeting homosexuals, sending rape and death threats. And people like margarita pie totally blind to it happening. True, blind bigotry.

Dictatorial regimes which allowed "no debate" have also relied very heavily on the young to help in subjugating their people, Mao Zedong and Pol Pot amongst others are some examples.

Isn’t it funny how Margarita Pie goes for the ageism card?

Do you forget what Frank Luntz discovered while he was here doing research just this year? That the 18-28 year old group are the LEAST tolerant of all age groups. Despite them thinking that they are the most tolerant.

I think Margarita you are so entrenched these days in your attempts to shame women on an anonymous forum, that you forget that many of the people you are attempting to shame and denigrate would have been very supporting of that ideological movement. Until we lived life and realised who the really marginalised people are- the women who can never speak up for many reasons.

And until we realized that actually the world doesn’t work like the magic idyll we thought it was. It is quite amazing how many experiences we have in common, the male doctors telling us our period symptoms are normal just get over it, the miraculous way jobs disappear or we are just plain old dismissed from them while pregnant, or that we just didn’t get that promotion because we were of ‘an age’.

Yeah, yeah Margarita.

Keep getting your opinions spoon fed from TRA twitter.

I saw a couple of trans activists (both of whom are older than I am) on twitter, mocking a mixed race women's rights protester for the colour of her skin after a demonstration in Edinburgh.

They (and the people who liked the comments) assumed her natural skin colour was fake tan and mocked her for it. I think it speaks to the whiteness of trans activism that they could see a mixed race woman and assume her skin colour wasn't real.

MargaritaPie
"The point I'm getting at is times are changing. The attitudes that were acceptable 50 years ago just aren't accepted by today's younger generation."

Fifty years ago?

Like condemning homosexuality, threatening women who speak out and being overtly racist? Watching this lot is exactly like going back fifty years.

The point I'm getting at is times are changing. The attitudes that were acceptable 50 years ago just aren't accepted by today's younger generation.

50 years ago, when I was young, I was a bit of an idiot too. Now I’m older, I still espouse the sensible causes that I embraced in my youth, for example environmentalism and electoral reform. I’ve ditched my admiration for Timothy Leary and some marginally violent radical political groups.

We all have to grow up. Experience - particularly the reality of living life as a woman - is enlightening in so many ways.

Everybody was young once.

These bright young things are the out of touch dinosaurs of tomorrow with their own wrong think.

You'd have a hard job explaining to me why so many leading lights on your side of the argument like Peter Tatchell tend to be older - and men.

Unfortunately, there is also a group of trans allies who have, to say the least shown themselves to be of less than sterling character, Eric Joyce and Gordon Pike( one of the creators of the Scottish Prisons Policy on transgender prisoners) spring to mind.

("TWAW in the same way that Far Right is Right?")

@MargaritaPie
"The point I'm getting at is times are changing. The attitudes that were acceptable 50 years ago just aren't accepted by today's younger generation."

Ah, the good old logical fallacy that youngsters know best...
It's not as if young people had a tendency to group think, and occasionally getting recruited into dangerously reactionary ideologies, am I right? cough Islamic State cough Hitler Youth cough

Note: this is not to say that genderism = fascism (although it's tempting...)
Just a reductio ad absurdum: the young are, provably, not always on the Right Side of History... unless by "Right", we also mean "Far Right"?... Hmm...

“Would we write a story about people who don’t want to sleep with black people?” asked one employee

Would we write a story about Asian gangs in Rotherham preying on thousands of white girls?

The Times has seen a partial transcript from a “next generation editorial group” meeting, a forum in which young employees can speak to top news executives about workplace issues.

I wonder who leaked the transcript. And I wonder if the 'next generation' group will complain. I hope so.

Absolute numpties. So glad it's being reported.

“Would we write a story about people who don’t want to sleep with black people?” asked one employee

So then they thought that story was about lesbians not wanting to sleep with transwomen?

Ugh. But then I guess that’s how all the TRAs interpreted it. A remarkable blind spot.

And a double and triple ugh for the racism. How do they not hear how damn racist they are?

I think there is a large, silent majority, even among the young, who know perfectly well that men are not women and are mostly rolling their eyes at all the demands, but not pushing back.

I suspect the lack of objection is partly because they don’t see the harm it’s causing, and in some cases is out of fear of the backlash/ loss of friends if they do voice their opinions.

Some evidence of this does exist. For example, even at Edinburgh University (allegedly at the forefront of transactivism) when pronoun badges were offered at Freshers’ week, the vast majority indicated they were not in favour of them.

I am glad the BBC are continuing to hold out, thus far. They have, of course, created a problem for themselves, having made no attempt to provide a balanced perspective on this topic. Now they have to row back from that position, and there will be strenuous attempts to prevent that happening. The next weeks and months could be very unpleasant indeed.

Anecdotal I know but my son who's at university (therefore young, Margarita), is very gender critical and so are many of his friends. They have a number of (male, mathematician/computer scientist/physicist) friends who say they are trans so don't say anything about their actual thoughts on the matter except with people who they know well.