BBC responds to backlash to article about lesbians being pressured into sex by some trans women

From the Times article:

“The headline of the piece implies that a significant enough number of trans people are sexually harassing women that it deserves to be reported on,” said a young employee. A different individual added that the BBC could provide balance by writing a story that spotlights the “fetishisation of trans women”.

I wouldn't have any objection to such a piece, I imagine reading about male "chasers" would be quite interesting. Nothing to do with women though.

Do you think the Hitler Youth were more tolerant towards minority groups? What about the young people who led the Cultural Revolution? (That happened in China, if you would like to google it.)

The idea that society is on an inevitable onwards march towards tolerance is ahistorical nonsense. As is the idea that young people are always more tolerant than their elders.

Youth is no guarantee of virtue. It is however a guarantee of less experience. Young people are often vulnerable to radicalisation because they have little life experience or knowledge of history. And strong urges to belong to a group, meaning they are less likely to question groupthink.

If you're going to be ageist, at least try to be historically accurate.

Marg who do you think your MRA nonsense is appealing to?

Aside for any passing MRAs who are reading.

But i welcome it, every time you compare lesbians complaining about rape and sexual harassment to racists you show the TRA agenda in a stark light.

I don’t believe you care about trans people- none of your posts would elicit sympathy. You do what every other MRA does- find any weak excuse to slur women.

Do you think you’re saying anything new?

I hope you are right about the younger generation and they do have more empathy and compassion for victims of sexual abuse than YOU.

I think it is very reassuring that we are now finding that transwomen aren’t that vulnerable after all

www.queermajority.com/currents/tdor-trans-death-and-trans-life

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Talking about being raped is like making a racist speech.

Lovely.

If, for an analogy, someone were to give a racist speech and then receive a backlash for it would that also be "proof the racist made an impact"?

Are you really comparing lesbian women talking about their sexual abuse by male people who identify as women to racists making a speech. Is rape apology on your part not enough!

It’s just so cringe watching the desperate flailing to find anything -anything!- to discredit the article. Desperate swinging to try to find an angle that makes it all go away, because it’s so inconvenient.

Unfortunately, I can’t find it in any way amusing the way I often find hypocrisy, dishonesty, and intellectual cowardice amusing, because it all rests on raped women being called liars and used as acceptable collateral damage to an ideology, and there’s nothing amusing about that.

Yes Pie because the more you and yours "call things out", the more it actually just makes your creepy and sinister agendas clear to the world. It's why the tide is turning. I am so glad we have the alliance now.

Again with the racist analogies.

Give over.

And you have missed the research that proves you are wrong yet again, the current 18-28 year olds are the most intolerant in society.

You are clinging to some kind of utopia that exists in the mind of the SJW posting a gun meme to silence women.

Anyway pie. Should or shouldn’t lesbians who have been abused, coerced into unwanted sex and raped be able to discuss this issue in mainstream media.

There is still a very long way to go, but my point was that attitudes towards vulnerable and minority groups have improved in the past 50 years. Generally speaking, each generation is a bit more accepting than the one before it.

If, for an analogy, someone were to give a racist speech and then receive a backlash for it would that also be "proof the racist made an impact"?

Our Friend from PIE has shown us exactly who they are and its really not attractive.

Yes the cynical manipulation of minor details is indeed chilling. The lengths people with an agenda will go to ignore the abuse of women is mind blowing.

So Lily Cade’s involvement with this article had absolutely no impact on the topic at all. Yet, because the person used to explain the term, NOT any of the lesbians telling of their personal experiences, didn’t ‘sit right’ the entire article is to be denounced?

Chilling really.

The ‘old people=bad’ and ‘young people=good’ is such a Whiggish interpretation of history, which is very
ahistorical in my view. History hasn’t been a constant march of progress. Think about the European witch hunts. The generation before the witch hunters saw ‘witches’ as a bit odd/eccentric/people to keep on the right side of. Even earlier than that the Church was trying to convince ‘witches’ and those who believed they were witches that their superstitions were false. I’d say these were more reasonable views then “burn the witch!”

Are we now allowed to discuss the ongoing situation of an oppressive subculture in which young women are made to feel morally at fault for not having sex they don't want to have?

Isn't this why some people had a problem with the article? The named person they interviewed about the cotton ceiling was someone who had actually sexually assaulted women herself. It just didn't sit right.

This person was named to explain the term" cotton ceiling "and it's background. The reports of other lesbians raped or sexually coerced had nothing to do with it. So how many lesbians raped by biological males do you think are necessary for people to talk about it in the main stream media? 2, 200, 2000, more? Or do you believe like others complaining about this report that women should just shut up and get on with it as it is more important not to tarnish the reputation of one group because of a few bad eggs?
After all that is what they did in the Catholic Church and elsewhere.

how many raped women is enough for the BBC to report it?

Isn't this why some people had a problem with the article? The named person they interviewed about the cotton ceiling was someone who had actually sexually assaulted women herself. It just didn't sit right.

I think that Margarita is once again trying to deflect from their outrageous rape apology of a post up thread.
This article was a report on a very serious issue, the rape and sexual coercion of lesbians by some biological males who identify as women.
The BBC stands by its report and good for them. Those who condemn this report are doing so because it reflects badly on a particular group of males. The same rationale of" don't rock the boat" was used in the Catholic Church, Rotherham and countless other organisations, and countless women and children suffered as a result. So Margarita, I ask you once again, how many raped women is enough for the BBC to report it?

On the age thing, I would totally have been 'TWAW, those older people who are objecting to this are just stale bigots' when I was at university. Now that I have a hell of a lot more life experience, both personally and professionally, I feel very differently. Funny that....

I was TWAW at that life stage. I joined MN when I was 21, and there will be posts from me under previous names explaining that cis was just a word we should use about ourselves to avoid othering transwomen.

I grew out of it all.

It's why the likes of Owen Jones and Katy Montgomerie have to resort to taking the piss out of the LGBA conference disco.

I don't think I have ever seen anyone as petrified of a group and so determined to silence it, as people are of LGBA.

On the age thing, I would totally have been 'TWAW, those older people who are objecting to this are just stale bigots' when I was at university. Now that I have a hell of a lot more life experience, both personally and professionally, I feel very differently. Funny that....

Yes. It's wonderful - proof that they're having an impact.

Lol the LGBA really petrify some people don't they. They show the whole thing up.