BBC responds to backlash to article about lesbians being pressured into sex by some trans women

It does seem odd that LGBTQIA+ activists champion people’s right to enjoy any consensual kink or fetish without shame, but somehow don’t extend that to respecting sex-based attraction. Clearly some people’s right to be accepted as who they say they are matters more than others.

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Actually fairy story? What a twat.

If I were an unkind woman, I might speculate on why she can't seem to conceive that sex between women could consist of something other than one partner penetrating another with a dildo. It's a very phallocentric view.

Don't you wish sometimes that people who think the meanings of words (and the realities they signify) don't matter would just shut up?

She's really not listening to her silly self, is she. Because the exact same argument could be used towards her own son.

Why doesn't he date women with dildos?

Why indeed.

As a lesbian I could not date a transwoman for the simple reason they are male. No amount of cosmetic surgery and cross sex hormones can change that.

[quote BloodinGutters]@PeriChristmas

Of course, but I meant that the reason lesbians will only be attracted to women isn’t just the absence of dick, or the absence of maleness of any sort, as in women are not just non men, we are not just lacking a penis.

Of course then there’s personal preference after that which will mean it’s only individuals they are attracted to. I just meant the argument that some (minority) of the have had their penis removed doesn’t mean lesbians will be able to feel attracted to them. That the things that they are innately attracted to in women aren’t the absence of being male, but rather the presence of being female. Non of which can be faked even by the supposedly best passing transition.[/quote]
It's the male obsession with penis, isn't it. That the definition of a woman could easily be a man without a penis. Because without a penis, what is a man???

She thinks she's being clever and refraining from stereotyping lesbians as exclusively interested in women though.

It's a very self-congratulatory tweet.

Jones' mum is as stupid and offensive as her useless offspring.

Some tw

@PeriChristmas

Of course, but I meant that the reason lesbians will only be attracted to women isn’t just the absence of dick, or the absence of maleness of any sort, as in women are not just non men, we are not just lacking a penis.

Of course then there’s personal preference after that which will mean it’s only individuals they are attracted to. I just meant the argument that some (minority) of the have had their penis removed doesn’t mean lesbians will be able to feel attracted to them. That the things that they are innately attracted to in women aren’t the absence of being male, but rather the presence of being female. Non of which can be faked even by the supposedly best passing transition.

She's really not listening to her silly self, is she. Because the exact same argument could be used towards her own son.

Why doesn't he date women with dildos?

Or any gay man. According to this logic Oscar Wilde and Alan Turing should have just found women who were happy to use a dildo.

That downright offensive argument from OJ's mum that lesbians should be up for penis because dildos shock

She's really not listening to her silly self, is she. Because the exact same argument could be used towards her own son.

Why doesn't he date women with dildos?

When a person says they will not date trans women, they are making a very wide generalization that dehumanizes individuals. It doesn't address personal preference, like "I prefer to fuck vaginas over penises." It assumes that each and every trans person is the exact same.

This is indisputably saying that it dehumanizes individuals if you have any sexual preferences whatsoever. If you are gay you are some sort of bigot. Same if you are straight or if you prefer blondes, bikers, people with tattoos or funky hair. All preference is bigotry as it assumes that each person in whatever category you want or don't want is the same. As Stonewall claims to be supporting LGBT+ rights, this makes it a bigoted organisation.

The comment about dildos is the same argument which has been used to minimise sexual assault to women for many, many years. "you wanted it yesterday so it can't really be a big deal that I made you do it today", "you're hardly a virgin are you", "you slept with my mate so what's the big deal about me having sex with you too?" . This is the language and logic of rapists. Also, as someone who has enjoyed both dildos and penises, I can say with some authority that they are not the same in any meaningful way. Just because they are the same sort of shape and size, that does not mean they are equivalent. It's a very different sexual experience. Again, this kind of aggression to a woman's choices is rape language. Trying to homogenize all sexual experiences such that any choice within that is something a woman should feel ashamed of is absolutely disgusting.

It's so aggressive. It's not enough for people to accept that some people are attracted to others based on their gender (assuming that's true). The actual existence of homosexuality has to be denied and the name itself stolen.

And the BBC is now defining homosexuality as meaning "homogender".

That's what being a female homosexual is.

Indeed, we invented a word for it, because it's a real, semi-common phenomenon.

I do not believe being attracted to a particular gender identity is a thing, as I do not believe anyone (even Layla Moran) can perceive a gender identity. Maybe we could get some paranormal researchers together with some sex researchers to prove that someone can actually respond to a gender identity.

We can perhaps skip the paranormal bit and try to get the sex researchers to figure out if someone can be attracted to a stated gender identity. Check for increased/decreased arousal after hearing someone state their pronouns? Again, doubtful.

(Finally, sure, gender presentation will be a factor, but they're not advocating for that. Demanding any particular presentation is transphobic).

So they're trying to take away a word that describes a real objective phenomenon and apply it to something that no-one has demonstrated exists.

TRAs are working hard to change the definition of "homosexuality" to mean "homogender". They don't just want an additional thing - being homogender - they want homosexuality as most of us understand it at the moment to cease to exist. They're denying that it's a thing.

FFS
Lesbians are allowed to not be into males.
That's what being a female homosexual is.

This👋!

Surely it’s because they have a vagina, a real one not a neo one, and surely it’s also to do with the other female features that can’t be replicated in the way breasts can- hip shape, size of hands, jaw, voice and so on.

Yes this too. I'm straight, I don't fancy "penis", I fancy (some) men. A penis is part of the package but so is the whole body, voice, face etc. I don't feel the same about women.

That downright offensive argument from OJ's mum that lesbians should be up for penis because dildos

FFS
Lesbians are allowed to not be into males.
That's what being a female homosexual is.