BBC responds to backlash to article about lesbians being pressured into sex by some trans women

That was a busy weekend for FWR’s six angry wimmin and their socks.

Amazing effort! all round

What's particularly amusing in that article is that the batshit open letter isn't mentioned at all.

[quote Theeyeballsinthesky]BBC has rejected the complaints gluts transphobic - things really are changing there! www.theguardian.com/media/2021/nov/01/bbc-rejects-complaints-that-it-published-transphobic-article[/quote]
”One BBC source saidthe broadcaster has received 4,819 complaints about the article but a further 5,520 people wrote in to note their approval of the piece.”

Phew! That was a busy weekend for FWR’s six angry wimmin and their socks.

BBC has rejected the complaints gluts transphobic - things really are changing there! www.theguardian.com/media/2021/nov/01/bbc-rejects-complaints-that-it-published-transphobic-article

*Our ambition is to create an organisation which reflects more accurately the society we serve. That’s 50% women and 50% men, at least 20% Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic, and at least 12% Disabled. A modern 50/20/12 organisation. Alongside this, we will deliver plans to build our socioeconomic diversity, as well as ensuring we are truly inclusive for all LGBTQ+ employees.'

Hooray - no one 'minority' trumps all others.*

Sadly if we got down the route of full self-identification, then we can achieve the 50/20/12 position by having all positions filled by able white males.

Thanks @Yusanaim. The programme is repeated on Sundays at 8pm.

Just reposting @BoreOfWhabylon 's post above in case anyone would like to contribute

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It would be great if the BBC or journalists used the MN threads on this subject to highlight the support for honest journalism.

I thanked the BBC for their response in the hope that this will encourage them to continue to investigate and report on the way that women are being treated by some trans activists and trans people.

[quote Alektopteryx]Saw this thoughtful article about the response from some to Caroline Lowbridge's BBC article ianleslie.substack.com/p/under-pressure[/quote]
That is a good piece

And if we are to dismiss reports on minority experiences because they don’t include robust data on prevalence - well, we can forget about any reporting on the trans community for a start.

No one in back lash actually engaged in the question.

And on Kelley

That is an astonishing position for anyone of a conventionally liberal persuasion to take, let alone for the head of an organisation founded to advance the rights of gay and lesbian people. It implies that females who are only attracted to people with female bodies can and in fact should, in effect, choose to be attracted to male bodies.

That contradicts a proposition that advocates of gay rights have struggled, over decades, to gain widespread acceptance for in liberal societies: that sexual preference is not a choice, but an innate and unavoidable predisposition.

Parts of Tim Davie's speech
'We debate the latest political shenanigans, internal dramas and the latest press flare-up as though these things represent what matters. This is dangerous. It means that we can take our eyes off the key issue of how much value we are delivering to each member of the public, and the UK as a whole'
..... ie they are not following Twitter etc

'Our ambition is to create an organisation which reflects more accurately the society we serve. That’s 50% women and 50% men, at least 20% Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic, and at least 12% Disabled. A modern 50/20/12 organisation. Alongside this, we will deliver plans to build our socioeconomic diversity, as well as ensuring we are truly inclusive for all LGBTQ+ employees.'

Hooray - no one 'minority' trumps all others.

www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/speeches/2020/tim-davie-intro-speech

@merrymouse but @blibbyblobby point really highlights that SW avoid supporting the groups that the organisation was founded upon. The right for same-sex attraction to be equal to opposite sex attraction.

How is it fair that I can request men only on dating sites, but lesbians cannot select women only?

Saw this thoughtful article about the response from some to Caroline Lowbridge's BBC article ianleslie.substack.com/p/under-pressure

Have emailed saying thanks and how much I appreciate them

Some kinks aren’t acknowledged.

Listeners can contact the programme at any time about any BBC content so a good time to raise related issues.

Thanks for that bore, will do so.

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And here's a tweet apparently comparing abused lesbians to Goerbels (sic... followed by levity on the misspelling). I'd honestly have expected better from a barrister who specialises in discrimination.

twitter.com/moira_robin/status/1453771592073457677?s=20

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"We understand our research is under attack for not being "representative". We never claimed statistical generalisation with this work as the methodology makes clear, but to show that a phenomenon does indeed exist and needs to be investigated further. This is what larger LGBT organisations are funded to do yet they neglect their duty towards lesbians and demonised survivors instead.

Many studies done by Stonewall themselves used a much smaller sample yet claim statistical generalisation and are used to change legislation. Yet they do not receive such negative reception as our piece did.

We spoke to victims of the cotton ceiling. Rape is not an anecdote when it happens to you. These women are brave beyond measure to speak up especially in the current climate of silencing we live in. Their stories are important and need to be heard in the wider #metoo context and the lesbophobic culture promoted by most, if not all LGBT organisations.
We believe women. We believe lesbians."

Angela C. Wild
Get the L Out

Angela Wild on twitter, the woman whose research made so many so agitated.

A few days ago @BBCNews contacted @GetTheLOutUK for a quote about the complaints received for exposing the sexual pressure placed on lesbians
The article is here but the quote not
Balanced debate BBC?
Here's the quote BBC didn't include
#istandwithlesbians

twitter.com/FrenchFem/status/1454354618864087044?t=m1oTdYYh1Y6q9VA1AzsT1Q&s=19

That's so sad and infuriating to hear, Humpty. In 2021 lesbians should be able to come out without expecting hassle.

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Didn’t take long, and I thanked them for starting to remember their ethos. I also shared that in this year of 2021 a young lesbian I know has effectively gone back in the closet at uni just to avoid the hassle. That Stonewall of all people were not only seemingly cheering the attitude that lead to this on, but actually seems to be spearheading it is unbelievable.

It does look like the new DG of BBC Tim Davie is making big changes. Have people really seen the light and common sense prevails?
That would be great. -- hopefully it will influence Scottish policy which is where I am.