For the Attention of Posters in the "bloody terf" thread

Because she chooses to identify that way, and there's no reason why you should be able to dictate her life and identity. Simple as that.

Womanhood is not an identity, and it is grossly offensive to assert that when you think about all the women over millenia who have been oppressed solely because of their biological sex who would have done anything to be able to 'identify' out of that oppression.

Womanhood is not something you can merely identify into and out of, its not a costume or identity.

Sex itself is a sum of physical characteristics that fall on a bimodal spectrum. Many of these characteristics can be altered, and the process of doing so alters one's sex. To chalk this up to "two sexes" is a gross oversimplification.

You think that humans can change sex?

You do realise that Sir Robert Winston would disagree with you?

You cannot change sex, seriously.

What about women that, for one reason or another do not produce eggs?

They are still of the sex class that produce eggs. As per the dictionary definition of female.

This really isn't that difficult.

I'm sure even the broad usage of "male" and "female" for strictly medical contexts wouldn't be much of issue, were you not so insistent on attaching other labels by proxy.

So you agree that transwomen are not female then? In which case they must be male? And you understand that therefore they are in the sex class of which 98% perpetuate sexual crime?

Do you understand that the word 'woman' is the word in the English language that is used to refer to an adult human female. In the same way that 'mare' is used for adult horse female, and 'ewe' is used for adult sheep female? If we are not going to use 'woman' for adult human female, then how will we distinguish female humans from female horses for example?

What about women that, for one reason or another do not produce eggs?

I'm post menopausal and can confirm that I have not turned into a man.

Both "man" and "woman" are social and cultural identities, originally constructed around biological sex.

So TWASACIOCABS, then.

A woman, cis or trans, can live and present however she wants. There is no requirement to be feminine, nor does anyone presenting feminine need to be a woman.

I agree that anyone can present how they want.

But on what basis is a male who says he feels like a woman actually a woman? How does that work exactly?

Both "man" and "woman" are social and cultural identities, originally constructed around biological sex.

So you do acknowledge there are two sexes? What are the words you want to use to describe the biological sexes?

I'm sure even the broad usage of "male" and "female" for strictly medical contexts wouldn't be much of issue, were you not so insistent on attaching other labels by proxy.

you believe in restricting and policing other people's identities. We do not.

We believe that there are many situations where identity, if you believe you have one, cannot and should not trump sex.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

If they think the sun orbits the earth in the alien place they’d be sorely mistaken as our several transuns perform an intricate dance around our moonbinary that means our plant must perform the dance-of-adoration-whilst-swallowing-ones-tongue to avoid dying in a sunfire.

A woman, cis or trans, can live and present however she wants. There is no requirement to be feminine, nor does anyone presenting feminine need to be a woman.

Apart from the use of the term cis, you’ll have no argument about this from GC women. This is precisely the point. The only discussion point we’d have is about the definition of woman.

My definition is “adult human female” where “female” is the sex class that produces eggs (large, non motile gametes).

What’s your definition?

Both "man" and "woman" are social and cultural identities, originally constructed around biological sex.

What do you mean?

What is your definition of a woman? It's a fairly easy question.

That's weird, because as far I can tell, the segregation is a product of patriarchal gender norms, and the notion that women are fragile delicate flowers in need of constant sheltering from the brutal society is a part of those gender norms.

Well you are wrong then.

Its largely because 98% of sexual crime is perpetrated by males and so in some circumstances women need sex segregated spaces.

It's easy to define. You just keep ignoring the clear definitions I give you.

That's weird, because as far I can tell, the segregation is a product of patriarchal gender norms, and the notion that women are fragile delicate flowers in need of constant sheltering from the brutal society is a part of those gender norms.

Wanting to be safe from sexual assault, rape and male violence - actual violence, not literal violence - does not make a woman a "delicate flower".

what do you call a person with the kind of body that can gestate a baby sillystring ?

do you accept that they may have different needs to people who don't have those kinds of bodies?

I too am dying to hear what the characteristics of the social category 'man' are

how do I know if I'm dealing with a man?

(underlining is my new favourite thing )

@Blibbyblobby
"The Genderist view is, I think, that we should keep (B) and (C) but get rid of (A)."

Not really.

A woman, cis or trans, can live and present however she wants. There is no requirement to be feminine, nor does anyone presenting feminine need to be a woman.

A man, cis or trans, can live and present however she wants. There is no requirement to be masculine, nor does anyone presenting masculine need to be a man.

A non-binary person, can live and present however they want. There is no requirement to be androgynous, nor does anyone presenting androgynous need to be non-binary.

But they can be.

That is what the "genderist" view is. We keep trying to tell you. There doesn't need to be a "link" between presentation and identity.
There is no such obligation.

You may think that's "similar" to what you believe, but it is not. Because unlike me and other trans people and allies, you believe in restricting and policing other people's identities. We do not.