For the Attention of Posters in the "bloody terf" thread

You are welcome to unisex spaces. Just not by taking away our female only spaces.

It's a resounding #NoThankYou on your attempts to dictate other people's identities.

I did explain this earlier in the thread but I get the feeling spooky jumped into the middle and didn’t take the time to read what was already said so I’ll repeat it…

Since Gender Critical people simply do not attach any concept of Identity to the physical fact of sex, it is literally impossible to "link" or "police" or “dictate” an identity through a Gender Critical use of sex, because the Gender Critical concept of sex says nothing whatsoever about Identity - that is literally the whole bloody point of being Gender Critical!

It was Genderists who redefined Woman and Man to be identities not just physical facts, and it's Genderists who then complain that imposing Woman or Man, or any provision based on sex, is "restricting and policing other people's identities".

The irony is that for all the pointing fingers at GC, Misgendering can only exist in the Genderist world. It is a problem Genderists invented for themselves when they appropriated the pre-existing sex names to label their concepts of gender, because they themselves, by their own choices, have put themselves in the position of having to interpret any sex-based application of those labels as a statement about Identity.

If the daft beggars had just picked different names for their ideas of gender none of this would even be an issue.

Makes you wonder why they didn’t, doesn’t it?

Which is probably going to happen anyways, considering GC forums aren't known for condoning dissent for very long.

What nonsense. If you did get banned it would be for the multiple personal attacks you have made.

Haven't read the thread but I have just spent the weekend with my BAME LGB friends in Brighton laughing about how everything isn't intersectional enough. Literally everything we have done this weekend was a hate crime. And I suffered non stop micro aggressions as an indigenous person. It was very funny.
Jokes are funny 😃

Fuck me, it's like a Christmas Carol in here tonight. The ghost of Christmas yet to come has just turned up.

I'd encourage everyone to go back and re-read BlibbyBlobby's posts in this thread.

And to mildly chuckle at people who say 'I am certain you are all cisgender' and then 'It's a resounding #NoThankYou on your attempts to dictate other people's identities.'

The physical reaction to a body you are attracted to is pretty material, I would have thought. If I am a straight guy, the cute guy next door will have absolutely no affect on my penis, whereas the very hot woman across the street is a very different story.

Yes, exactly.

Oh, I would be banned if I actually did that. Which is probably going to happen anyways, considering GC forums aren't known for condoning dissent for very long.

Why would you think that? You are entitled to your opinion and we are entitled to disagree with it? Mumsnet is not an echo chamber and we welcome anyone. However, if you present an argument with more holes in it than a sieve, you have to expect a robust rebuttal.

Trans women say #NoThankYou to your attempts to categorize them as "male".

We are all categorised against our will by others. They are no different. Some things need to be accepted, as they can never be changed, and most of these male people aren't and never will be seen as women by the majority of people.

Oh, has the baton been passed again?

Well if you're going to be banned anyway, give it your best shot.

Spare me your dishonest, facetious nonsense.

Everyone on here can see what you have written. You can't pretend you didn't write it. That's dishonesty.

For as long as you consider that word to describe you, you are a woman

What about non English speakers?

Well, the biggest issue with this is that there aren't many spaces for non-binary people, and the GC movement is not exactly helping with that...

You are joking right? GC people are entirely behind third spaces! It’s the Genderists that won’t consider them.

Sexual attraction no more "material" than gender identity. There's no "straight" and "gay" physical components in our bodies, they are both a matter of one's feelings about oneself and about others.

The physical reaction to a body you are attracted to is pretty material, I would have thought. If I am a straight guy, the cute guy next door will have absolutely no affect on my penis, whereas the very hot woman across the street is a very different story.

I must say, if Spooky's posts are an attempt to "demonstrate to us that words can in fact be psychologically harmful", well I'm not impressed. I've been more physiologically harmed by being called late for my dinner.

In fact, you could have triangle with two internal angles of 89.999 degrees, so at first glance, those sides might appear to be parallel, but if you look properly, you realise that they do eventually meet and you indeed do have a triangle, with all the geometrical properties of a triangle.

Trans women say #NoThankYou to your attempts to categorize them as "male".

Look, I said your magic "I win because I say so" words. What now?