The Mess We're In - Video disappeared?

Yes @creepingdeath, it's absolutely the younger women. They absolutely don't really understand what they are getting into, and how the cookie crumbles. When they are older, and have children, and have lost their flush of youth, have miserable pensions and are simultaneously looking after aging parents - then they will understand.

It would be great if the Mess could give this a proper discussion and investigation. There must be someone who has looked into this phenomenon?

And not Mr Blanchard please.

oldwomanwhoruns

Yes, we know that there is an issue with young women backing up the TRAs. This needs investigation, presumably it's due to our ancestral sense of self-preservation. Our cave-dwelling ancestors knew that a woman without a man was meat for the Tigers (or whatever ate the early hominids).

I agree, there is an issue with (mostly younger) women supporting all this, and there are probably several reasons for it. But you are right to say that they did not cause this, nor are they the orchestrators of this, they are being used as pawns in something they don't really understand.

Can't remember who said it, but it's so true - AGP men aren't really treated like women at all (if they were they would largely ignored), they are in fact treated like very special men, fawned over etc.

I think some of it for women is that the idea of a man voluntarily choosing to come down off his perch at the top of the hierarchy, and deigning to associate with us in the lower echelons means we must be grateful somehow - he is giving up his privilege etc. Of course he isn't really!

I was hoping that they would address this, too. I'm such a big fan of the Mess, but that last smug comment of Blanchard, that AGPs and TRAs were the fault of women? That women must take some blame???? Wtf???

Helen did struggle to answer him, to be fair. She looked completely wrong-footwd and kind of shell-shocked at his assertion, and as it was right at the end of the show, she didn't have time to frame a considered response.

Yes, we know that there is an issue with young women backing up the TRAs. This needs investigation, presumably it's due to our ancestral sense of self-preservation. Our cave-dwelling ancestors knew that a woman without a man was meat for the Tigers (or whatever ate the early hominids).

Yes this needs investigating. But the TRA movement is not the FAULT of women.

KaycePollard

Because they talked over and contradicted Helen a lot of the time, because at the end Blanchard basically blamed women for AGP , and talked about how he's 'tired of people blaming men and AGPs' .

Also because Arty was completely fawning over Blanchard, and trying to excuse AGP. Basically nowhere did they really acknowledge the impact this has on women.

Added to that they didn't probe or push back against things he said, and even though he was asked about whether porn was the cause of this he kept saying no it isn't. He wouldn't acknowledge the role sissy porn has played in exacerbating this whole issue. He also doesn't acknowledge the ingrained misogyny inherent in dressing as a caricature of a women, full of stereotypes.

Blanchard also basically admitted that his 'treatment' included sending these men out into women's spaces. Who gave him permission to do that? Why did he not care that women might not want these men in our spaces.

Overall it was a total disappointment. A bunch of men talking about this and failing to really admit the damage it does to women.

Karen from "You're Kidding Right' does a great takedown of this interview. She has previously interviewed a transwidow, and Arty has criticised her in the past for asking about the impact and affect this has on the wives of these men. Go figure.

I thought the episode with Dr Blanchard was interesting and informative, not a shitshow. We were lucky to have the long clinical knowledge and experience of Dr Blanchard.

Why do you think it was a shitshowm, @CreepingDeath ?

I stopped watching it as it was supposed to be about the conference but it barely got a mention

Haven't watched it yet, but did they say anything to acknowledge the shitshow that was the last episode with Blanchard?

Yes, at the end Graham said that it would be taken down to edit out the real name of ‘man at bus stop’.

I did exactly the same! Yeah I think it’s probably being edited.