"Trans Criminals are not Women" says Priti Patel

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Shon Faye was asked about trans women in womens prison the other day and I think its the most nonsense answer to a direct question I've ever heard.

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The whole interview is here , absolutely no push back on the fact that most women are in prison for non violent crimes but that there are huge numbers of trans women in prison for sexual offences, even at 08:30 KGM says he doesn't know any figures and so relies on SF and theres absolutely no push back.

There are around 120 women in prison for sex offences (a handful of whom are males with a GRC) from a population of 33 million.

There are around 80 transwomen (most recent stats given to Parliament) in prison for sex offences from a population of around 100,000.

If you'd like to offer your explanation on how that doesn't mean that transwomen offend at standard male rates, I'd be interested in hearing it. In its absence, I'm going to work on the basis that you are in ignorance of the facts.

Male people are larger, stronger, and infinitely more prone to violence, especially sexual violence. How they personally identify has no effect on that at all.

Transwomen sexually offend at the same rate as any other male. Which is roughly 2,000 times the rate females offend. And given that we have separate spaces not because we think all men are icky, but because they pose a significant and proven statistical risk, it's quite breathtaking to say that all those safeguards and rights should be stripped away the second a male person says, "I want".

It's men's rights activism, plain and simple.

Say what now? It's 2am, I've had a couple of drinks and I seem to have found a balanced article in the DM about Priti Patel saying that TW are not W when it comes to criminal offences. I'm drunk and should just go to bed, right? Or... did a prominent MP actually just say this? Crikey. The tide really is turning.

Once again, transmen conspicuously absent from this discussion which is ostensibly about "trans" criminals, sex criminals in particular. I wonder why on earth that could be, and if that could have anything at all to do with this?

Finally, some good news

[quote EmbarrassingHadrosaurus]I find reading DM articles online very difficult to read, they’re so full of pop ups, ads and links to totally unrelated content

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So “Trans criminals are not women”, but Transwomen who are not criminals, are? What a minefield…

Much clearer article, and from a feminist platform to boot, although still not being clear on what/where this “official response to feminists” is

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I find reading DM articles online very difficult to read, they’re so full of pop ups, ads and links to totally unrelated content

Would a service like Push to Kindle work for you (free for personal use)?

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I find reading DM articles online very difficult to read, they’re so full of pop ups, ads and links to totally unrelated content (and why is it always Peter bloody Andre!!).

I cannot see from the article their actual source on where this has come from? If says “The change was revealed in an official response to feminist campaigners calling for an overhaul of the rules.” does anyone know what that is actually referring to?

Its very poorly written, not least because I can’t see any evidence that Patel has said the apparent quote in the headline, but also seeming to say that the figure of 436 individuals recorded as women prosecuted for rape between 2012-2018 (not convicted or in prison, btw - prosecuted. There is a ~5% conviction rate for rape, IIRC) was calculated by Prof Sullivan - actually she simply highlighted the governments own statistics on this, I believe when submitting evidence to the Scottish Parliament recently. Thread discussing that here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4360759-More-than-one-woman-a-week-prosecuted-for-rape

I do think the Tories are purposefully getting ahead on these issues now, in a calculated fashion. Whereas Labour and other parties who self-identify as “progressive” only comment either in Stonewall pre-approved slogans, or react when really given no other option to by Andrew Marr etc (and then tend to make a tit of themselves showing up their poor understanding of what the issues actually are), the Tories are carefully putting out very uncontraversial things like “keep up the hard work LGBA” from Johnson and now “police should record offenders by their actual sex not self-ID gender” from Patel - anyone who would find these statements problematic would never vote Tory anyway, so they really don’t have to worry about anyone who would find these moves offensive. But this is how the Tories hold the middle ground, the centrist swing voters, this is how Labour lose the next election and the Tories stay in power. Which is overall still bad for women. Although at least maybe crime stats may be vaguely accurate when it comes to offenders’ sex.

It’s disappointing she didn’t say anything sooner. The whole point of having someone vicious and uncompromising in these roles is that they are supposed to pick this shit up early.

So what will happen to any trans-identifying people in prison currently? In future sentencing regarding allocation to prisons? To the statistics that have been so fundamentally skewed by the recording of male crimes within the female category? And why only for crime recording - why not in all facets of life?

Same @TableFlowerss