"Trans Criminals are not Women" says Priti Patel

@MishyJDI
In the time of Jesus, unlike today, men and women were equal but both had very specific sex based roles. As a result, there was far more segregation of the sexes than the western world today. Therefore Jesus, as a man of his time, would have followed the conventions of the day.

There is a lot of evidence that the disciples were actually male and female pairs and that there were 12 pairs. The women went to spread the word to women and the men to men. Men to women would have been disrespectful and absurd. This was whitewashed out of history during the 1st to the 4th century AD when men chose which biblical texts to include and exclude.

So in answer to your question, Jesus would have used the men’s.

And to clarify, when I say women and men, I am using them as intended. Sex based nouns. Those born with a vagina being women. Those born with a penis being men.

It is an incredible shame that society is no longer run along these lines as we women have had enough of being mansplained into believing that women can have penises, to move over, roll over, accept to be treated as sex objects in a porn show and to have our language destroyed a with a smile and to just be kind.

So I’d like to thank you for your question, which has given me the opportunity to clarify what Jesus would have done. HTH.

And it is Satan who is the Father of Lies.

Obviously it’s hard to second guess what Jesus might say but he was known to stand up for the prostituted woman (throw the first stone incident) but he also recognised prostitution as a sin.
He also drank from the same well as ostracised members of the community.
He also followed the Ten Commandments (do not bear false witness) so if a man insisted he were a woman, he would not validate that (ie he couldn't lie). He also respected motherhood (when dying he asked his friend to look after his widowed mother), and he also was brought up by a step father so lived in a non traditional family set up…
He also had the gift of healing.

What would Jesus do? Mmnnnnn....I seem to remember something about abusers of children and millstones and the sea, so i somehow think He would not be supporting you here Mishy.

Nic, pour yourself a well earned drink.

Hear hear 👏

If you think about it, all his apostles were men, reflecting the time in which he lived.

Are there stats on self ID v GRC for these male offenders?

Has every offender been given a GRC?

It looks as if there is a clear policy shift from the Tories. First Liz Truss and Kemi Badenoch, with their equalities hat warning government departments about over reliance on Stonewall. Then Sajid Javid’s comments about Labour not being fit to run the NHS as they did not know what a cervix is. Then Boris and his support for the LGBA.

Now we have the Home Secretary telling police and prisons to use sex not gender.

Expect more. And expect/hope that other organisations take note and follow suit. Priti et al appear to have popular support. So stop and consider whether the wokeness is actually enhancing your reputation.

I would expect that there have been a number of good women (and a few men - hat tip to David TC Davis MP) who have been working hard behind the scenes to encourage Ministers to listen, to read and to get SpAds to research. Baroness Nicholson will be one but there will be many others. Family members, constituents, as well as those who work within the Government apparatus, and media including Conservative Woman which has been running GC articles for years. And obviously the brilliant research and lobbying from FPFW and others. Nic, pour yourself a well earned drink. A strategic battle seems to have been won.

I suppose it shows how much impact stonewall has had too.

I imagine Nolan was listened to carefully last week by a SPAD.

However, it's clear self ID has been followed?

Linking this thread as it's relevant

AIBU to think this Home Office response is a cop out? - to "Require sex of VATP & sexual offenders be recorded throughout justice system." www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4375385-AIBU-to-think-this-Home-Office-response-is-a-cop-out-to-Require-sex-of-VATP-sexual-offenders-be-recorded-throughout-justice-system

Sounds like the lgba had a big impact

Warrior, not sure of your exact question but I think you’re asking ifPP was in charge when GRC came in?
I BELIEVE (again, happy to be corrected) the original idea for allowing human to self certify and change their birth certificate came in under a Tony Blair and the Labour Party…

(Cross post, my grammar is shit not yours!)

Pam, do you know if that was when she was in that position?

Shit grammar there, it's early.

Correct me if I’m wrong:

The reason Police have recorded male offenders as female is that they were ordered to do so u dear Home Offuce guidelines.
That’s the Home Office PP heads up.

Now PP contradicts herself and orders police NOT to record male crimes as being female.

Whilst we can agree this is bringing sunlight to the issue I’m not sure it also indicates PP’s genius. However, looking forward to Keir Starmer’s response.

Thanks truth.

The Tories have put a heck of a lot of things on the back burner during brexit and then of course CV threw its curve ball. And many of them around safeguarding.

A blinding example is their dismissal or lack of action on recommendations around preparing for a pandemic.

As a PP said, politics in the last 5 years has been preoccupied with brexit, GE and leadership battles.

Winning more seats in the north has forced them to take notice of us.

The pandemic has raised issues to public consciousness in many areas that were already there. Eg health inequalities in different areas of the country. My personal beef is Williams' lack of interest in pupils with SEND. The new ed sec has at least acknowledged send exists. Not least as the pandemic revealed horrific inequality there.

Sadly DV rates in the pandemic and recent murders of women that hit the headlines also highlighted violence against women in the national consciousness and they've been forced to look at this seriously.

At least they are sending people to the LGBA. And finally closing loopholes.

And I thank all those women and orgs who've been working tirelessly to raise these points for far too long.

[quote BoreOfWhabylon]SpAd
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Ah ok sorry didn't rtft.

Clearly Patel has set about researching a number of things around this.

The thing is it may not be Priti as such.

Many people work hard behind the scenes and it's very possible that a dept or researcher or other org has raised this with them and there's no way the tories would allow their record to be stained this way given their recent stance on VAWAG.

SpAd is Special Advisor. Ministers work with civil servants in their department and also hire their own staff including SpAd's who have their back

Sorry what's a SpAd?

TIMES ARTICLE 20 OCT on FPFW Freedom of information requests FOIs

Police forces let rapists record their gender as female
archive.md/oGwYg#selection-711.0-713.118

Police forces are recording suspected and convicted rapists as female if they no longer wish to identify with their male birth sex.

Six forces, including South Yorkshire and Thames Valley, disclosed
under freedom of information laws that if someone is arrested for or convicted of rape, the official record will state the gender they chose to identify themselves as.

"Nicola Williams, director of Fair Play for Women, which submitted the requests, said: “You can’t get much more of a male crime than rape. It would be highly offensive to a woman who was raped to have it written down that her attacker was a female when clearly that was a male with a penis."