"Trans Criminals are not Women" says Priti Patel

This should be done to all athletes and all prisoners, plus nurses and police. There is no valid excuse why this cannot be done.

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I'm not sure how that would work with a GRC? My preference would be that the data would be really comprehensive but completely anonymous so that GRC could also be noted.

I think given where we are currently with the GRA and what the law already says, for statistical purposes, it's not going to be possible to accurately record whether people have a GRC or not (even though you might know if they were standing in front of you).

Since a GRC means people's driving licence, passport, etc will record the non-natal sex, and since the whole point is that officials can't press a person to reveal their gender reassignment, it won't be possible to tell statistically whether sex data has come from a GRC or not.

So my assumption would be that GRCs would be an anomaly. But everyone else's biological sex could be recorded from administrative records, ID, etc (i.e. the same info they use to put them in the right prison in the first place).

All criminals get their DNA taken anyway, and held in a database, so the home office could actually just look at the information they already collect and use it to see someone's sex if they genuinely honestly can't tell what sex people are.

Or even from clothing.

Or swabbing the inside of your cheek.

I thought you could get DNA through the oils in your fingerprint, or your hair.

So I don't see how they are going to even know how to implement Priti's order to record biological sex at this point because they've tied themselves in knots already

Simple blood test would sort this out. Not sure about the ethics of actual taking the blood/ the legal side of it but a blood test to look at the XX/XY chromosomes which tell them the sex. No need to look in anyone's pants, not that there is anyway, but this would be an irrefutable way of knowing prisoners sex.

Well TRAs are only one part of this, aren't they? There are other trans people who would prefer data to be collected like this and they should be heard too.

I'm not sure how that would work with a GRC? My preference would be that the data would be really comprehensive but completely anonymous so that GRC could also be noted.

Enough4me

It leaves them no where at all to hide. They know this. Hence lobby groups are so strenuously opposed to it.

Perhaps the TRAs would be concerned that recording both would show that males commit crimes at the same rate regardless of gender.

I agree that correct data collection would be the best option for everyone what ever their sex or gender, for both victims and offenders.

I think it's all a bloody big mess.

But. One of the things we read a lot is that many hate crimes and assaults are carried out on transgender people: how do we know? We don't. If we do want to know how many crimes are carried out against transgender people, and we should be stamping very hard on all hate-crimes, then it makes sense to collect a lot of data (which can be anonymised for statistical analysis) concerning biological sex as well as Gender. Gender being a social construct means we all have a gender ID even if we don't actually acknowledge it (i try to answer this question quite often, i have never managed "what makes me a woman?". I mean i have managed: gender assigned at birth etc, but what makes me feel like a woman? not so easy)

This kind of statistical recording should, in theory, keep everyone happy. We would know, for example, how many trans people have been attacked/Been the victim of hate crime, etc. I wonder, though.

Northumbria Police's complaints form twice replaces "sex" with "gender" and in the drop down box for religion lists all of the usual ones, plus "prefer not to say" and "other" but makes no mention of "atheist" or "agnostic". I can't put "other", can I? Atheism is not another religion, it isn't a religion at all.

Officers and staff must consider their use of social media activities whether in a work related or a personal capacity. These must not cause any risk to public confidence in the Force,

I've submitted a complaint to Northumbria Police.

This just proves the ridiculousness of the ideology. So transwomen are only women if they don't commit crimes? Meaning that criminality is what defines the sexes/genders? At what point would a crime-commiting transwoman become a woman? When he's served his sentence? Partway through?

DdraigGoch
Ah but if you have accurate statistics then the whole "most oppressed" narrative falls apart.

The "most oppressed" narrative falls apart if one mentions native Americans in Canada, the Rohingya people, Tibet....

If you can’t cope with a government you didn’t vote for and disagree with on most things sharing an opinion with you what is the point of petitioning governments to make changes?

You don’t have to like the Tories. You can despise them. But when women organise and governments listen give them credit, it might encourage them to listen to other things. Because if we don’t do you honestly think TRAs would not lobby for their wants? We’re all the TRAs agonising about Teresa May going to Pink Nees awards? When the Tories were into the idea of self ID was there massive handwringing as a bunch or allies found themselves aligned with the nasty party? If Stonewall wasn’t in the shit right now would they refuse to speak to Conservatives or refuse money from them?

Behave.

Cactu:

There are estimated to be 200-500,000 trans people in the UK (male and female). We know 423 transwomen have been convicted of rape alone since 2013. Rates of offending are extremely high within this group. Why is this just being brushed under the carpet?

That is more than one a week this period.