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Great. Son now says he’s trans.

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dangermouseisace · 23/10/2021 17:08

I am doing my best non judgemental listening but oh my god.

Middle child is “non binary”. Eldest today says the reason he’s not eating properly and why he was unhappy 4 years ago is because he’ll never be happy as a man, and he wants hormones surgery the lot.

I have been clear about my opinion re gender throughout their lives. I am glad they feel able to speak to me but I don’t know what to do. I’ve said I’ll book him a dr’s appointment, and suggested counselling. I feel it’s a case of too much internet but it’s hard to control that- they find old devices if you put restrictions on, and everything works off the internet these days.

My children clearly have their struggles but I feel a failure as a mother as I don’t feel strong enough to deal with them. I’ve already had time off work with stress this week. I feel I just cannot cope with anything any more. What the hell can I do?

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catzwhiskas · 23/10/2021 18:53

The other thing to remember that a huge majority of those that think they are trans will desist once they are a bit older and get non affirming help( about 85%) some of the others who go further will detransition , so there is not a lot of evidence that you will have to deal with this for ever. Most of feel that we would not be doing our parental job properly if we 1) reject our children 2) believe and affirm everything they might feel or say at a particularly confusing time for most teenagers.good luck. You are definitely not alone. Take no notice of those that have their own agenda.

ArabellaScott · 23/10/2021 18:51

So, hopefully all the scolds will take note that the OP is using the pronouns her children prefer.

And apologise. Yes?

LastSummerHere · 23/10/2021 18:50

Yes he abuses women onstage and then uses Robin's charity for abused women to 'clear' him of any accusations of misogyny.😡 I was still shocked at the difference in his 'professional opinion' between the blinded woman and the girl who thought she should be a boy. He couldn't see the connection because he is paid not to see it.

BreatheAndFocus · 23/10/2021 18:46

I’d ask lots of gentle questions and listen. Why have things changed in the last week? Has he been discussing this with anyone else online or in his peer group? How does he think his life would be different ‘living as a girl’? Is there anything bothering him at home or at school? Is it related to his non-binary sibling?

If I think back to my teens, there was a lot about myself that I thought I knew but in fact I was still learning. I’d also say that even when I was a teen there was a lot of pressure but that’s increased a hundred-fold now.

BloodinGutters · 23/10/2021 18:44

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DeJaDont · 23/10/2021 18:44

@dangermouseisace

I posted on a guest post earlier today about my own experience with my two sons that claim to be trans. In my case, it was entirely led by pornography and online grooming. It has a very bad ending for us and my son is now in his early twenties with a conviction for sex offences. I'm on my phone so can't find it right note but if you search my name you should find it. It's destroyed our family.

And before the liberals come out saying I'm blaming trans people, that's absolutely not what I'm doing. My son was groomed on the internet and will pay the price for the rest of his life. Adult men that "felt" female groomed him from a very young age for their own validation and now my family is in tatters and wet may never recover from this.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/10/2021 18:43

@Zebradanio

I think the pronouns are the least of ops worries right now. Why are some people so keen to ignore ops valid concerns about her child and focus only on pronouns.
Maybe because piling in on a mother using any flimflam excuse you can find is so much more fun than addressing challenging issues of child mental health, social contagion and online grooming ? Just a suggestion.
teezletangler · 23/10/2021 18:42

Where do you think the idea has come from OP? Are there a lot of trans identifying children at the school? Or is it the internet? If so, how easy would it be to remove all devices?

beigebrownblue · 23/10/2021 18:39

@Theunamedcat

If I affirmed everything my autistic child declared themselves to be they would be a girl a cat a boy a cat a black cat a big cat a small cat

Now I could affirm everything and get him whisker implants

But I will not

Yes, I would go with this comment.

My feeling is, and I'm going to ignore anyone who shoots me down on this one...

...during the pandemic fifty per cent or more of us have had mental healht issues of one kind or another, fleeting or temporary...

fifty per cent of young people have had them or are having them.

A totally normal part of adolescence has always been the search for identity as many psychologists will understand.

A young persons identity often changes throughout adolescence.

The OP sounds like a very tolerant mother and I feel for her.

I also understand that she is very nuturing of her kids rights to define themselves as they wish going forward.

As a contrast, (and I've said this to my own DD when she had similar struggles)

I know of one parent (who is not my friend I might add) who told her daughter that if she defined herself as a lesbian she would burn in hell...

The OP is not that kind of parent, but sounds stressed, and it is not surprising as we are stil in the middle of a pandemmic and in some ways, sexuality is the last thing on a parents mind right now..

First and foremost concerned with making ends meet, creating a home.

Where is the discussion about this MOTHER'S identity, wellbeing and her freedom to express her own sexuality as she sees fit?

Some of these posts are mother blaming par excellence.

Hang in there OP you are doing great.

LastSummerHere · 23/10/2021 18:36

@BloodinGutters I remember watching an episode of Dr Phil once where a women had an intense feeling that she was supposed to be blind...she identified as blind! She poured a toxic substance into her eyes to bring about blindness and on the show everyone, including Dr Phil, was completely shocked. They couldn't agree with her actions and he was clear it was a mental health issue.

Some weeks later, a family came on who were struggling with their daughter insisting she should be a boy. The family was fractured, with lots of hostility and aggression. Dr Phil made no mention of these possible causes as to why the girl felt the way she did...he actually affirmed her delusion and referred to her as he!

My own thoughts are many, many people who affirm children's immature decisions and delusions are either doing it to be seen as 'understanding' with no regard for who they affect, or they are taking pleasure in the abuse of children and the breakdown of the family. The result is the same.

Anotherbrokenairer · 23/10/2021 18:33

@ElliottSmithsfingers
🤣. How eloquently put!

godmum56 · 23/10/2021 18:29

@Maskless

I think that the question parents in your position need to ask is, 'If I were raising this child (in your case these two children) on a remote Scottish island with no internet or TV, would they still be "trans"?'

Or 'If I were raising this child (in your case these two children) fifty years ago, when they had never heard about trans, would they still be "trans"?

I think we all know the answer.

This dangerous nonsense can only continue if we continue to enable it.

have you read a book called "Gallileo's Middle finger"?
Zebradanio · 23/10/2021 18:23

I think the pronouns are the least of ops worries right now. Why are some people so keen to ignore ops valid concerns about her child and focus only on pronouns.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/10/2021 18:22

I’m shocked, shocked I tell you that our resident “you big meanies/beeee kiiind/they just want to pee” have appeared on this thread rather than any of the ones around e.g. men in womens prisons or sport or woman’s right to centre themselves in campaigns against make violence

dangermouseisace · 23/10/2021 18:17

Thanks for all your messages and reassurance/advice/soldarity and criticism too.

To clarify: my son hasn't requested any pronoun change. He told me today, as he'd been hinting for a few days that something was “up” and so we went for a walk. My non binary child uses they them and I try and stick to that when they are about. When they are not, or I am online, I can do as I wish. My son doesn't have an eating disorder...hes been eating less for about a week. After our chat he seems more enthusiastic about food! He eats a lot normally but is still skinny, like many teens.

My kids are 15 and 13 (have 11year old too).

Gender: I've always been clear its a social construction and have encouraged my children to do whatever they want to do and not feel constrained by expectations. Toys were toys- fire engine, pink cooker, no constraints and wear what you want. I am not at all girly and their dad (my ex) is not particularly masculine. We each have quite a few gay/lesbian and generally gender non conforming friends. We are of the opinion that sex is fixed, whatever you do to your body, and that male and female bodies are different but intellectually there is no difference. There are no “man” jobs or “woman” jobs, hobbies(except things that require a particular sex).

I took my 15 year old to the GP a few years ago as I've been sure he's autistic since he was a baby. The GP dismissed it as he made eye contact, which I know is bollocks. He doesn't think he is autistic, just that he has social anxiety. The school were meant to be doing something but then covid happened, and with the new regimentation in school, he became much happier, and we let it slide.

Until last week he was acting on the whole, very stereotypically male (only likes men's football not women, interested in cars and eating meat) and has done so since oooh about age 4 through choice.

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BlueberryCheezecake · 23/10/2021 18:17

@LittleBearPad

Give over. Where has the OP said they aren't using the child's pronouns of choice when talking face to face?

What’s bizarre about the whole pronoun thing is that sex based pronouns aren’t relevant when speaking face to face. You’s the only option.

You use sex based pronouns about someone who isn’t present.

No, you use them when you're talking about someone in the third person whether they're present or not. There are lots of circumstances where you might refer to someone with third person pronouns in their presence. "This is Bob, he works in human resources." It would be very difficult to go through life entirely avoiding ever using a third person pronoun in the subject's hearing.
BloodinGutters · 23/10/2021 18:15

@LastSummerHere

I have to say, I find the three posters on this thread who would happily lie to a child, twist their immature minds and feed their delusion/social contagion, and set them on a horrific pathway of drugs and surgery based on their lies and sick societal stereotypes, to be absolutely disgusting and culpable in the abuse of children.
This ^^

If their kids came home claiming to be transdisabled would they be rushing to affirm them also. A trip to the doctors to schedule leg amputation.

And how insulting to those of us who are disabled, who had no choice in the matter and yet still have to live with the reality day in day out.

LastSummerHere · 23/10/2021 18:04

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LittleBearPad · 23/10/2021 18:03

Not always. My neighbour refers to her trans daughter and she/her when we are in a group conversation over the fence, with the daughter present.

Seems rather performative. It’s pretty rude to say he/she when the individual is standing there

LastSummerHere · 23/10/2021 18:01

I have to say, I find the three posters on this thread who would happily lie to a child, twist their immature minds and feed their delusion/social contagion, and set them on a horrific pathway of drugs and surgery based on their lies and sick societal stereotypes, to be absolutely disgusting and culpable in the abuse of children.

DoesHePlayTheFiddle · 23/10/2021 18:00

Watch TT Exulansic on YouTube, find the relevant bits and use when appropriate with your child.

blacksax · 23/10/2021 18:00

@DisgustedofManchester

Your inability to use consistent and correct pronouns makes me worry for the atmosphere your daughter is groing up in.
Hmm
Leafstamp · 23/10/2021 18:00

@CrazyCatLazy @DisgustedofManchester

You do realise most decent parents will never disown their child or reject them for what they are? Trans or not trans.

I’d bet money on the OP being one such caring parent.

Caring parents do not unquestioningly accept everything their children say or give in to their every demand. Especially not if doing so could lead to a lifetime of medical intervention and health risks.

Zebradanio · 23/10/2021 17:58

I think you are right to look at counseling first op. Your child may be trans. And they may not be. It's far more sensible to explore non intrusive options before moving down a medical pathway from which there is no return.

CrazyCatLazy · 23/10/2021 17:55

@LittleBearPad

Give over. Where has the OP said they aren't using the child's pronouns of choice when talking face to face?

What’s bizarre about the whole pronoun thing is that sex based pronouns aren’t relevant when speaking face to face. You’s the only option.

You use sex based pronouns about someone who isn’t present.

Not always. My neighbour refers to her trans daughter and she/her when we are in a group conversation over the fence, with the daughter present.