Great. Son now says he’s trans.

Well, it's fairly clear from this thread that a least a minority of 'GC' posters on this board aren't about preserving the definition of 'female' at all.

They are about wishing trans people out of existence.

As I say, I only believe it to be a minority of posters who hold this view, but it is pretty revealing, isn't it?

You say you see gender as a social construct

But then you say * Until last week he was acting on the whole, very stereotypically male (only likes men's football not women, interested in cars and eating meat) and has done so since oooh about age 4 through choice.*

The two statements contradict one another.
If you felt gender was a social construct, then fact he liked he enjoyed men’s football and meat (seriously?) is utterly irrelevant.

Allison Bailey is taking Stonewall to court because she alleges they pressured her chambers to discriminate against her at work by means of their controversial diversity champions scheme. And despite the best efforts of Mumsnet favourite Robin Moira White the judge felt there was a reasonable prospect of her succeeding, so it's going ahead next year.

Similarly, it was “plainly arguable from the terms of the complaint of 31 October 2019 that Stonewall sought to induce chambers to subject the claimant to a detriment because of her publicly expressed beliefs and the allegations that she had made against Stonewall”.
Judge Stout added: “If the claimant establishes that taking action against her for her beliefs is unlawful indirect sex or sexual orientation discrimination (which is not a straightforward issue), and that the allegations are indeed protected acts, and if the necessary causal connection to a detriment for the purposes of section 111(5)(a) [of the Act] can be established, then she will succeed at trial.”
She concluded that the claim was “at least reasonably arguable and stands more than little prospect of success”.

https://www.legalfutures.co.uk/latest-news/chambers-and-stonewall-fail-to-strike-out-barristers-discrimination-claim

One would think you've come onto this thread specifically so OP cannot get the help she needs. I wonder why that would be?

Correction- isn't she taking Stonewall to court because she doesn't agree with trans people having rights?

Really? Evidence please

I mean actual evidence…her own words saying ‘ i dont think trans people should have rights’….not an article or quote from someone else

Thank you in advance

Sorry, Op. Just say some posts and have engaged with the derail.

Maybe the discrepancy of rights between Transpeople and people who don't identify as Transpeople is a problem.

People who identify as Transpeople can amend (not correct, amend) their birth certificate to change the information. I don't think anyone else can amend the information on their birth certificate.

Obviously, to level up this privilege only afforded to some, others may feel that other detail should now be open to change in the same way. e.g. I do not feel my age and don't see why I should have to share the 'wrong inner feeling' age with employer, health provider etc. I'm all for a levelling up of rights which is now only afforded to Transpeople.

Wow this derailing is quite something.

Anyway good luck OP

I don't understand MargaritaPie. What rights don't trans people have? I'm new to this discussion and I'm trying to educate myself as much as I can.

"They are taking a black lesbian to court"

Correction- isn't she taking Stonewall to court because she doesn't agree with trans people having rights?

I also saw a rather bizarre post on Twitter by her where she appeared to accuse trans people of throwing chocolate into her garden to "poison her dog". Then she randomly posted the word "ribbons". Personally to me that doesn't come across as someone of sound mind.

Who in their right mind can think that Stonewall supports gay people? They are taking a black lesbian to court. They support people who claim that “genital preference” which is homosexuality is transphobic.

It is such a shame. Stonewall used to be such a great charity.

alicemcswitch

Depends what you mean by that. Wearing different clothes etc and experimenting with make up is fine . Heading to the transition pathway is not.
A good parent makes sure the child has all the support they need before making such a big decision to moving down a medical pathway. As the chances of medical transition being the wrong decision is high. A bad parent ignores all that and skips straight to transition. Do you agree?

@CorrBlimeyGG and @alicemcswitch, what is it to be trans please? What's the science and biology that evidences we could be "in the wrong body"?

I keep asking because I would like to understand, so that I may better support my own trans child (who cannot define it to me either, other than "if you don't feel it, you don't know it").

But it is no longer an organisation that campaigns for lesbian and gay rights. What does gender identity have to do with sexual orientation? They are 2 separate issues, but often linked together due to both being minority issues, and because they some times overlap.

Well I'm in a minority (and I'm queer, as currently defined by Stonewall) but I don't demand that my minority issue be included in Stonewall's remit, or become its raison d'être.

Early supporters of Stonewall have now dis-associated with it. Stonewall no longer supports gay people. Many organisations are now pulling out. Its aims are no longer respected as they used to be. This is sad but is the case.

For example, on this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a4333180-LGB-Alliance?msgid=110283691#110283691

MargaritaPie's claim is made at Thu 26-Aug-21 20:53:05, responses follow that debunk the claim.

Also on the thread about Marion Miller's case being delayed, which now will no longer load for me, so perhaps that thread was subsequently deleted.

It's not a load of old tripe though?
I saw that tweet.

Are you still bashing on about this load of old tripe when you've been comprehensively debunked repeatedly on many other threads?? I mean, your persistent is fascinating.

I also haven't seen Stonewall compare the inclusion of any vulnerable minority groups to bestiality.

Gende-Criticals only hate Stonewall because they are trans-friendly.

Calling them "homophobic and misogynistic men’s right activist lobby group" is unjustified and is just abusive for the sake of being abusive.

It hasn’t been for some time.

And it’s throwing the lesbians and gay men under the bus to promote the right of mostly straight white men to access women’s single sex spaces and services, dismantle women’s and homosexuals’ legal rights protections and women and children’s safeguards.

What they were no longer matters. The only thing that matters is what they are now.

"You’re advising a highly homophobic and misogynistic men’s right activist lobby group as a source of support for parenting"

No, I'm recommending a gay rights charity which was founded in 1989 and became a charity in 2003. It began as a resistance to the then Government's Section 28 if you're familiar with that.

Stonewall has since became a well established gay rights charity, you can wear a Stonewall hat/shirt to a gay pride event or gay bar and not be kicked out, and a teacher can be a trustee of Stonewall without the students protesting.

I've been donating to them a while now and will continue to do so. In hate-filled times like these they need even more help.

Gresham College has a lunchtime streaming of a medical ethics lecture on children and medical consent.

www.gresham.ac.uk/lectures-and-events/children-medicine