Girls night in Campaign targeted for not being inclusive

But why can’t everyone who identifies as something other than a girl just make their own movement or shut up. Pathetic.

Wish they’d stood up for themselves.

Also we’re constantly told you can still say women/girl- but clearly only in certain contexts. Fed up with this policing of language.

The statement seems like satire, just can’t believe what I’m reading.

It is ironic that they are (presumably) pointing out that trans men are at increased risk of this too. Could this be because they are biological women?

Actually, I wonder how trans men, who seem generally to be trying quite hard to escape any kind of victim status, feel about that?

This is what happens when the words women and girls were redefined to include men and boys. Women were left with NO WAY to advocate for themselves as a separate group. And in fact even though we did this we’re STILL not allowed to use the words women or girls. It’s terrifying.

The grovelling apology in the op is unbelievably depressing. These girls are allowed no boundaries, no safe spaces, no language in which to come up with strategies.

Just reading more tweets.

It really does not occur to these people that they do not need to be included in this movement.

They are oblivious. Yet, oh so kind.

When everything moves so quickly online, we really need to be patient with people campaigning for #girlsnightin . I know there is criticism about how inclusive it is (or isn’t) as a title, but we can’t assume everyone running these pages is cis. I say this as a non-binary person.

It is completely fair to examine what is missing from this campaign, without making assumptions or ‘talking down’ to people who run/support the Insta pages. Scratch the surface and everyone is trying their best to be inclusive.

Do your best to boost the campaign (unless someone is an outright TERF🚫) and use the hashtag #bignightin if you want to. The ‘night in’ is for everyone.

ODFOD (my first one).

Not all campaigns can drill down to root causes, identify workable, common sense solutions and present a convincing argument to the public. So all in all, Girls Night In wasn't doing too badly on those counts.

Of course, now they've come out of their struggle session* and engaged in this act of self-sabotage, I think it's inevitable that there will be much more criticism of the basic idea of this campaign and of their demands.

*Ultimately I think this is the greatest weakness of this kind of feminism. Constantly examining your own movement for micro-aggressions, examining your own privilege, sustained, intense self-flagellation, yes they create a movement where those who remain are pure and agree on everything, but it is much weaker for it and much less effective.

Old whine; new bottle.

I see everything I strived for as a second wave feminist being chucked away. It was tough being a second waver - the hatred was palpable, but we stood up for ourselves, fought back and, most important of all, didn't give a rats arse what people thought of us. If girls and women now are just going to roll over and play dead, then my generation fought for no reason.

If you won't fight for yourselves, no one is going to fight for you.

A young woman I know is at university in one of the cities where this is happening. She and her female friends had a Girls Night In house-party instead of going out, but the sad thing is it was partly a protest and partly because they are genuinely and reasonably fearful.

This is why accurate language matters. This is why pronouns aren't just a matter of politeness. They are taking away our ability to describe reality. They are taking away our ability to describe who is doing what to whom. They are taking away our ability to protest against misogyny or gather together for collective safety. They are making it impossible to be a feminist; their true end goal.

It’s the groveling apology for me

The apology to the trans woman makes no sense. The response should have been "but you are a girl! "

Intersectionality is not about including men or trans women. It’s about recognizing the unique issues of women of colour, disabled women and those issues that come from their unique experiences from racism and living in an world made for the able bodied.

Also people really need to stop including black women and other women of colour and disabled women in their examples with trans women. It’s extremely offensive and implies that black women and other women of colour or disabled women are not actually women. Trans women are not women.. there is no need to include actual women in a grouping as an example with tw. Basically stop grouping women in with tw as an example for why tw should be in women’s spaces. It’s a horrible way to make that argument.

I don’t care about trans women’s feelings. Men always have the audacity no matter what they wear. Women need to be vigilant and call out their bullshit when they see it. It used to be that tw just a wanted to be able to live their life and be left alone.. now demanding that they be centred in everything concerning women and erasing women is ridiculous.

Fuck being nice.. be nice for what? So men can continue to give you their ass to kiss and gaslight you into dick pandering so their feelings aren’t hurt? So men can continue to abuse women? So men can continue to sex traffick women and girls? So men can continue to pay you less? So men can continue to get light sentences for rape? So domestic abuse can continue without women having women only refuges?

Men are going around spiking women and women can’t even organise without some narcissistic man in a dress wanting to be the focus.

It’s the groveling apology for me. Dick pandering and weak spirited women are being raised and they are going to be eaten by the wolves! These young university women and young teen girls are the absolute dream for abusive, predatory men. They have absolutely no boundaries.. and we all know men love tk abuse women who have no bounds and can’t stand up for themselves.

I don't understand why the trans woman was complaining she was excluded.

Surely as a trans woman "Girls Night In" includes her anyway?

Women get attacked, then end up apologising for saying so.

There's never been a more important time for women to fight back - this definitely feels like the watershed moment that will determine whether future generations say "WTF was that? How did totalitarianism become the norm again?" or where conversations end up as "Birthing-parent, what's a woman?" "Shh, darling, don't let non-birthing-parent hear you using that word".

This situation is EXACTLY why Raquel-Rosario-Sanchez's feminist student organisation is so important and why it's needed across ALL UK UNIVERSITES!!!!. It's despicable that female students are being silenced and coerced into stop describing what is happening. Raquel-Rosario-Sanchez in the case of Bristol Uni faced sanctions by it's own students union. As Baroness Nicholson said these girls are in an "environment". Raquel-Rosario-Sanchez needs more vegetables in her garden if you're interested.

her talk on woman's hour described what she faced.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4379859-Womens-Hour-today-Raquel-Rosario-Sanchez-will-be-on

Abd where were the Transwomen protesting spiking, and setting up an initiative on behalf of all women?

‘Inclusive’ means taking on the fights that women fight!

Unbelievable. I am so, so angry at this.

Well they've stated in their post that they are anti-misogyny . In this new woke would it's Instagram posts that show how kind you are, actions smacions!

Hypocritical in the extreme!

If I was a nightclub or bar owner in Devon and Cornwall I would be opening my doors to female only customers for one night each month. I would also offer one night a month for lesbian and bisexual women only.

It would be ticketed and bouncers, female ones, would be able to turn away men at the door as it would be deemed a single sex space and therefore able to to apply single sex exemptions. At this point, if I had such a business and was able, I'd take the risk of the once it's left backlash so to be able to say women can have somewhere safe.

There are times when as a young woman I wanted to mix with, dance and flirt with men, but these days I can see why women would want to get away from them and enjoy a night out with mates without the risk of being injected, drugged and raped.

It shouldn't be women having to stay in (though I get the point) women should be able to enjoy themselves like men do and sometimes that maybe means the men should stay home.

It is just a dream but wouldn't it be great?

FFS…. Sod the women… what about the men they say.

Thank you FindTheTruth for sharing all those tweets. It's good to see women speaking out and reaching out to these young women, who I imagine must be terrified of the backlash.
Awful to see young women speaking out and then pilloried by the misogynists (and their enabling idiots) who walk among us.

It's like the whole Reclaim these Streets thing. Started off about women and quickly became a space where you couldn't talk about women unless you centred men

it's only women and girls not allowed to have the tiniest sliver of anything for themselves

Exactly this, as it has been throughout history.

" No one is saying you can't say 'women' " say these activists.

Yes, yes you fucking are 🤬

Anything, absolutely anything that is about women and girls, from pregnancy, menopause, to being spiked at a nightclub and raped ffs, is targeted. I don't see ANY other group being harassed this way, it's only women and girls not allowed to have the tiniest sliver of anything for themselves

Women and girls are afraid of being spiked, and now the bullies have come and made them afraid of being labelled bigots before they've even started their careers. To hand over their campaign and bleat obediently, for intersectionality, to talk about that group who are the most opressed and attacked of all (no, not you women and girls, silly!), to apologise for thinking about themselves for once, and to top it off - for not sending the rapists to prison ffs!

I could absolutely weep but I'm so fucking angry

I do hope that these girls get in touch with Filia. Here's an example of the straight talking support they could get twitter.com/ClaireShrugged/status/1451851456919781384

I'm beginning to find the non binary queer lot far more aggressive as time goes on.

That's who got left out.

I have come to realize, even more strongly, that those who called this movement out early for being narcissistic were right.

At what point do people have to take responsibility for their actions. To declare yourself non-binary or trans is fine, to insist that people who wish to use the word women and girls include you after you have made that declaration is not fine.

Not every group or movement is for everyone. This constant push for inclusion is not righteous at all.