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Is anyone else fed up of being censored?

41 replies

TuppyTheDino · 22/10/2021 23:36

I've had an account on Mumsnet for years but I've name changed for this. I'm tired of being censored by trans activists on social media. I had a Twitter account for other stuff but gradually got into the debate.

I was banned, despite trying to be respectful and polite whilst still making my point/s and was banned. I created a new account (and was banned). It put me off for a while, but I created a new account and within days it is shadowbanned so nobody can see or comment on anything I put out there. I don't hate trans people, I am worried about the erosion of women's rights

I'm so tired of it all. Why can't women speak? Why can't we have one small corner of the internet to talk about these issues without getting shut down or told to just be quiet. I am so sad and angry that women's voices are being shut down. I don't know what to do so I thought I would have a moan about it here.

OP posts:
NonnyMouse1337 · 23/10/2021 11:42

Spinster is an alternative to Twitter. Women can speak freely there.
spinster.xyz/

Ovarit is similar to the Reddit platform. Another space where women aren't censored.
ovarit.com/

Bordois · 23/10/2021 11:25

@Leafstamp

'The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.'

~George Orwell

I am sick of it too OP. I’m speaking the truth here today:

Woman = adult human female
Man = adult human male

A trans woman is a man.
A trans man is a woman.

QFT
Bellendejour · 23/10/2021 09:18

Yes, it’s fucking oppressive. I feel scared sometimes just liking posts and following GC people. When you have men posting pictures of guns and talking about lists of the women they are going to kill for using the women won’t wheesht hashtag.
Or posting about killing sprees at the school run. All the terfs must die stuff. Yet god forbid you try to safeguard single sex spaces.

It’s hard because there are good GC accounts and articles and people I like to follow and support on Twitter.

But it’s also a frightening and wearing place to be.

Sad
LonginesPrime · 23/10/2021 09:06

Twitter isn't a public agora, through - it's a private commercial company, so while it may claim to promote free speech, the reality is that they will only allow free speech that they deem acceptable. And since they're a commercial enterprise, what they deem acceptable will be based on popular opinion. Hence misogyny and cancellation is the norm there.

I personally think no public organisation or business with any credibility or claim to ethics should be on a social media platform that operates like this

This is a really interesting point, and it gives me hope that something can be done.

It's similar to the Stonewall issue - it's not Stonewall that's the problem, it's the fact that public bodies have unquestioning followed everything they say as gospel when it's merely one arguably misguided charity's view of how the world should be.

The benefits of social media are widely valued by public bodies as a way to build awareness and foster public engagement, but the notion that public bodies are relying on commercial enterprises with their own values to engage with the public (and therefore are only able to engage with taxpayers that Twitter and other commercial social media enterprises deem worthy of being heard) is the problem. And as stakeholders in public bodies, that's the bit we actually can do something about. Similar to the Stonewall issue.

From my experience of the corporate world, companies also rely on Twitter and social media as a benchmark of what consumers approve of and don't, so I think raising awareness of the fact that social media companies are entitled to their own agendas, but that companies rely solely on the voices they hear through those media as representing the general opinion of the public do so at their peril might also help in the long run.

Also, lots of random members of the public probably have GC tweets deleted all the time, because much of what gets deleted is just common sense and affects heaps of everyday issues. But if those people aren't aware of gender ideology issues and how mad things are, they're unlikely to make a fuss as they won't have realised the significance of the silencing and will just think "that's odd" and go back to posting about their hobby or whatever.

I think it makes sense to hold governments to account on this specifically from an Equality Act perspective (under the protected characteristics of sex and gender critical beliefs, plus sexual orientation where relevant).

Any more general objection about free speech would make for strange bedfellows (conspiracy theorists, fascists, etc) so I think it needs to focus on the Equality Act specifically to be helpful to women.

Also, I'd be interested to know why public bodies think it's ok to engage with taxpayers on platforms that routinely permit misogyny, as it means women aren't able to join in the conversation and engage with these public bodies without being exposed to that misogyny. It's tantamount to the NHS or the local council holding their public meetings in a male-only space, and saying women are allowed but doing nothing to protect them from the sexism they encounter, and then saying "well, we invited women, but they weren't interested in joining in the discussion". And that's obviously sex-based discrimination under the Equality Act too.

BreatheAndFocus · 23/10/2021 08:47

Yes, Twitter is mainly pointless. You spend so long twisting what you want to say - which is a polite, reasonable comment - into something tortuously acceptable and bland, that you just give up and can’t see the point in bothering.

Also, there can be the vilest posts eg the machete one, and you and hundreds of others report them, and yet they sit there untouched. However, make one of the holy elite ‘feel unsafe’ by saying the blandest, most harmless thing imaginable, and your tweet is deleted.

Nothing about it is due to fairness or common sense. It’s all an attempt at silencing - every single aspect of it. Women mustn’t dare to speak.

I never thought we’d be here after the previous progress we’ve made - but then, perhaps that’s why we are here? “Women - know your place”.

Helleofabore · 23/10/2021 08:43

YANBU OP.

Leafstamp · 23/10/2021 08:36

'The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.'

~George Orwell

I am sick of it too OP. I’m speaking the truth here today:

Woman = adult human female
Man = adult human male

A trans woman is a man.
A trans man is a woman.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 23/10/2021 08:13

This is why I don’t go on Twitter. For anywhere that claims to be a public agora for discussion the moderation should be even handed and conducted according to fair and open principles. On Twitter it is unashamedly sexist and also secretive in the methods it uses (eg the shadowbanning and manipulation of likes).
I personally think no public organisation or business with any credibility or claim to ethics should be on a social media platform that operates like this but that ship seems to have sailed.

CruellaDeVilla · 23/10/2021 08:10

YANBU OP

Crankyoldboiler · 23/10/2021 08:07

Agreed. It is incredibly difficult to speak out. I left Twitter because of the pile-ons and the misogynistic rage but it doesn't seem much better on here. The starting position is that we GCs are assumed to be dangerous so our language has to be policed rigorously based on that assumption. We can't call out what we clearly see is behind this, the trashing of women's rights by bad actors, because, I've been told by MNHQ, that's making generalisations.

unwashedanddazed · 23/10/2021 00:06

Mollyollydolly I guessed it wasn't just me this is happening to. It seems such a petty, spiteful thing for Twitter to do. A like on a tweet is just about the tiniest vocalisation possible, but still has to be shut down.

OperationDessertStorm · 23/10/2021 00:02

Absolutely. Even when you are so careful with language and to stress the importance of your actual support to gender non conforming and the LGB community and when you have actual facts and science - somehow you’re still a dinosaur!

It weighs on my mind far too much.

Mollyollydolly · 22/10/2021 23:54

@unwashedanddazed

I've had a Twitter account for many years but I never tweet. I follow lots of GC accounts. For a couple of months now I've noticed that if I 'like' a tweet the count goes down one instead of up. This only happens on GC tweets, never on other types of tweet.
This happens to me all the time. When I like tweets the count goes down.
MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/10/2021 23:53

You're in good company on here OP. While I have huge admiration for women who use twitter so effectively, it's a cess pit. Have you joined up with any of the women's groups doing so much effective campaigning?

TrainedByDinosaurs · 22/10/2021 23:53

You’re definitely not the only one I’m tired of not being able to speak freely.

unwashedanddazed · 22/10/2021 23:52

I've had a Twitter account for many years but I never tweet. I follow lots of GC accounts. For a couple of months now I've noticed that if I 'like' a tweet the count goes down one instead of up. This only happens on GC tweets, never on other types of tweet.