Boris Johnson backs Kathleen Stock and LGB Alliance in trans rights row

That’s a good enough reason to wine midweek.

I think that they just agree to disagree about this issue. Carrie appears very pro-Stonewall.

That's considerably more adult behaviour than most melodramatic "you think I don't exist" TRAs manage, tbf.

Of course if that involved saying he would suck a tw cock he would say that. But the math shows it doesn’t

You are correct but also, urghhhhhh at that mental image

I’m not so sure about this. Carrie’s very close to Nimco Ali, who is an anti-FGM campaigner and very clear on what a woman is.

I think that they just agree to disagree about this issue. Carrie appears very pro-Stonewall.

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I will never not find it amusing that ppl who are on the side of “suck my girl dick”, the side that sends rape & death threats & the side that has physically attacked women think they have any moral high ground in this matter whatsoever

I mean it’s quite a feat to be that lacking in self awareness

I think it just tells you it's just common sense.

However, realising there is a large proportion of voters who might be single issue voters and choosing what he says to appeal to that demographic shows he understands democracy. Which is a lot more than we can say about the opposition.

Brilliant! Boris might be a liability, but he is not a total fool.

Have emailed the PM's office to say thank you.

I don’t think it’s so much “siding with Boris” as “PM sees which is more popular opinion and sides with that”.

As someone else has said, if the hard numbers truly believed all aspects of trans ideology that would be what he would be saying.

That in general the people of the UK want trans people to be treated with respect and decency in no way implies the majority is ok with unisex facilities, mixed sport, unresearched drugs for children etc.

Bj is not quite as dense as everyone believes him to be

Boris won a scholarship to Eton and has a 2.1 in Classics from Oxford. He is apparently fluent in French and Italian with a knowledge of Spanish and German. He might be a lot of things but dense isn't one of them.

I don't know if it is all about votes and being calculated. I think he knows it's all ridiculous and is simply saying as much. It's often the Conservative way to be dismissive of anything 'beneath' them and that's what he's doing here.

'Yes, yes, let the minority shout and stamp, but the reality is that this is a storm in a teacup'. Most often, that dismissive attitude is about things we hate, but when it comes to this stuff, I think it's the right tack.

My jaw hit the ground when I read the thread title. I was not expecting that. I am no fan of Johnson, but this is confirmation that this has now become mainstream. Sunlight everywhere. I fear that the other parties might somehow still stay on that treadmill, because falling off is going to hurt, but sooner or later, it’s going to happen.

Good it gives them legitimacy against the lunatics. The fox batterer will be on blood pressure tablets.

What a topsy turvy world we live in.

You can say what you like about Boris but, 'that man doesn't know which way the wind is blowing' probably isn't a criticism he hears much.

Pay attention Kier. The wrond side of history is coming for you...

The other thing that I would be delighted to be wrong about would be the continued use of the argument that anyone is questioning anyone's rights to exist

Yes, in my mind the cries of "you don't want us to exist" is typical teenage hyperbole.

This is the problem with tribalism. It becomes about whose side you are on, rather than looking at the issues and deciding based on viewing facts with unbiased eyes. No one wants to be in the looser club so they keep denying reality so they can hang with the cool kids.

I’d be willing to bet there’s a fuck tone of posters on here I’d hold vastly different views on other issues from. Plenty I doubt I’d even like in rl. I’m very anti social and introverted. It’s not personal, I just won’t like you ; ) I’d rather be on an island on my own than anybodies bloody side.

None of that changes how much I agree on this one or saying so.

I don't think it's too surprising that BJ is in favour of free speech is it?

The last sentence of that piece though... They argued that “trans people’s rights to exist is not a topic that is up for discussion”.

Too right. It literally isn't - afaik there is no discussion on that topic because no-one disputes trans people's right to exist. Such a disingenuous slur on LGBA to imply that's what they think.

It's hardly surprising. The Conservative party are engaged in a 'culture war' against woke politics and in favour of populism. Much like Trump. It makes for uncomfortable allyship - there are many other aspects of the anti-woke agenda that I would be very opposed to.