Page 2 | Outcome of my company asking everyone to add pronouns to signatures

McOrange · 2021-10-20T19:41:57+00:00

My company (a large corporate) finally jumped on the pronoun bandwagon. I’m on a committee of senior people so managed to steer the comms away from making it mandatory to being voluntary. To which our D&I Committee assured me that everyone would definitely definitely do it cos it’s the right thing to do etc etc This happened a few months ago and so far only 2% of people have added it (pretty much just the D&I Com). I spoke to some younger people today and casually asked if they were going to do it and they all said no, it’s bollocks, no interest etc. It’s a small victory but I felt very pleased at this! We have a dotted line as an organisation in to a bigger co which is one of Stonewall’s trans ally companies so pleased to have retained this tiny bit of control. As you all were.

Gingercake2018 · 20/10/2021 22:57

98% of staff thinking either "f**k it" or "can't be arsed". That is brilliant and reassuring.

titchy · 20/10/2021 22:57

Respect snoopyfloops!

LonginesPrime · 20/10/2021 22:56

Well done, OP - this is so heartening to read!

MajesticWhine · 20/10/2021 22:52

Good to hear this thanks OP.
In my super woke organisation, it's quite common to add pronouns. But none of the management. My boss recently made a big song and dance about it and added pronouns but then a few weeks later she / they changed signature and the pronouns disappeared. I silently applauded but I haven't asked her/ them about it

FortunesFavour · 20/10/2021 22:50

I’m liking your work OP

snoopyfloops · 20/10/2021 22:49

Gosh I wish I'd posted about all this stuff earlier. The whole tra, stonewall debacle makes me so angry and feel so hopeless. But I've been working away at it at my organisation and maybe we just need to share these wins to keep our spirits up.

So to all of us for fighting the good fight so, hopefully, our daughters won't have to.

EarthSight · 20/10/2021 22:46

@snoopyfloops

I'm on this particular mission too OP. So far I've convinced my big (famous) company to leave Stonewall, undone a policy to add pronouns and killed a plan to convert loos to gender neutral. Holding back the TRA is my mission and I chip away every single chance I get. Thankfully my CEO and COO are with me.

👍💐🌹💞

@snoopyfloops

EyesOpening · 20/10/2021 22:39

@snoopyfloops

I'm on this particular mission too OP. So far I've convinced my big (famous) company to leave Stonewall, undone a policy to add pronouns and killed a plan to convert loos to gender neutral. Holding back the TRA is my mission and I chip away every single chance I get. Thankfully my CEO and COO are with me.

I hate that thing where people do that repeated bowing down but I think I might just do it for you!

Also, that's brilliant OP!

YouSetTheTone · 20/10/2021 22:31

The CEO of my DH’s company suggested a company-wide pronouns policy. My DH, who has listened to me ranting on for months, pushed back and presented all the reasons why it might not unilaterally be a good approach.
As a result she back tracked and made it voluntary, and currently the tally stands at her and the very vocal ‘non-binary’ employee.

RedDogsBeg · 20/10/2021 22:11

They also said work should pay any employees transitioning costs.

That's some brass neck.

Nice to hear people saying 'No', seems like the adults are back in the room.

LizzieSiddal · 20/10/2021 22:07

That’s fantastic news!

I was cheered last week when two youngish, gay men, I see though work, asked me “wtf is all that about” re pronoun email signatures. They just didn’t understand why anyone would want to “out” themselves. I agreed with them and added the disadvantage it could mean for discrimination against women.

snoopyfloops · 20/10/2021 22:00

I have found that fear of being caught up in a damaging trans row a la BBC, Royal Society, Sussex Uni, etc is more important to our senior team than being 'inclusive'.

Some trans folk at work came forward to say that they had been victims of transphobia. Much Pearl clutching and horror. On closer investigation it turned out that someone had said that biological sex is immutable at a work event. They also said work should pay any employees transitioning costs.

This sort of thing has damaged the TRA in the eyes of the senior exec team.

ArabellaScott · 20/10/2021 21:46

Well done, OP!

teawamutu · 20/10/2021 21:45

@snoopyfloops

I'm on this particular mission too OP. So far I've convinced my big (famous) company to leave Stonewall, undone a policy to add pronouns and killed a plan to convert loos to gender neutral. Holding back the TRA is my mission and I chip away every single chance I get. Thankfully my CEO and COO are with me.

Teach us...

MassiveHoard · 20/10/2021 21:33

snoopyfloops well done! Also good outcome OP, thanks for sharing. Keep fighting everyone

PanicStationsAhh · 20/10/2021 21:30

You rock Snoopy!

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McOrange · 20/10/2021 21:30

@snoopyfloops

I'm on this particular mission too OP. So far I've convinced my big (famous) company to leave Stonewall, undone a policy to add pronouns and killed a plan to convert loos to gender neutral. Holding back the TRA is my mission and I chip away every single chance I get. Thankfully my CEO and COO are with me.

Brilliant. Well done you.

Thankfully none of that nonsense where I am yet but I’ll certainly stand against it if it comes to it.

I feel like we are ninjas, no one talks about it openly for fear of being accused of being a HaTeFuL TeRf but there are plenty of us around!

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Binglebong · 20/10/2021 21:28

That's amazing Snoopy!🏆

RedDogsBeg · 20/10/2021 21:28

Kudos to you snoopyfloops, that's an impressive list.

snoopyfloops · 20/10/2021 21:14

I'm on this particular mission too OP. So far I've convinced my big (famous) company to leave Stonewall, undone a policy to add pronouns and killed a plan to convert loos to gender neutral. Holding back the TRA is my mission and I chip away every single chance I get. Thankfully my CEO and COO are with me.

Lovelydovey · 20/10/2021 21:08

Well done you.

I’m horrified by the number of people in my increasingly woke organisation who have voluntarily added their pronouns - including senior women. I’m in a minority in not having done so. I’m also regularly pointing out - particularly in anonymous surveys - that the protected characteristic is sex not gender. I cannot understand where this is all coming from.

TrainedByDinosaurs · 20/10/2021 21:06

Good news McOrange

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 20/10/2021 21:05

Excellent. And so funny that the D&I team are so out of touch with what people really think.

writingsonthewall · 20/10/2021 21:04

Urgh. I also work for a large corporate and we've all been encouraged although it's not compulsory. I think about 75% of people have which is so bloody depressing.

OhHolyJesus · 20/10/2021 21:02

That's brilliant OP, thanks for sharing that.

2% huh, wonder how the D&I will spin that.