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Harrop MPTS Hearing

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/10/2021 16:18

I thought this may be of interest:

www.mpts-uk.org/hearings-and-decisions/medical-practitioners-tribunals/dr-adrian-harrop-nov-21

The tribunal will inquire into the allegation that from 10 May 2018 to 23 November 2019, Dr Harrop inappropriately used his Twitter account to post tweets that were offensive and/or insulting and/or inappropriate in nature and some of which were intended to intimidate.

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Artichokeleaves · 15/11/2021 14:31

Sorry: I meant even if he'd done it all anonymously on Twitter it would have been arguable that he'd crossed the line.

But he gave his full name, his profession, and let it all hang out.

Artichokeleaves · 15/11/2021 14:30

It would have been arguable that he crossed the line with the intimidation and 'delete all your tweets and profile or I'll continue doxxing you' thing - particularly since CPS have gladly pulled women into police stations and court rooms for far less than that.

But to do it all in your own name, with your job clearly identified? Work places have codes of conduct. Professions in particular have a code of conduct, I haven't yet met one that is not clear about expected behaviour including online, not bringing the profession into disrepute, and this is way, way past the point that most people could have expected to have been sacked. One incident alone would have ended it for many.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 15/11/2021 14:29

It’s always really difficult to predict the outcome of MPTS cases that don’t involve direct harm to patients. Yes, doctors are not supposed to bring the profession into disrepute, but this is inconsistently interpreted.

I would be (pleasantly) surprised to see him suspended from the GMC register, given that none of the alleged offences involved his patients. Hope I’m wrong, though.

JustcameoutGC · 15/11/2021 14:23

I reallly hope Posie is there. Right up the front. He would be guaranteed to lose his shit.

EishetChayil · 15/11/2021 14:22

Seeing those coppers all dickied up in their Pride gear exposes just how deeply Stonewall has penetrated public bodies. It's chilling.

RedDogsBeg · 15/11/2021 14:20

A dictionary definition on a billboard makes men feel unsafe.

This quote encapsulates so much. I love Posie

My favourite is:

I am appropriating the word woman, can you hear yourself?

Flingobaps · 15/11/2021 14:16

@beastlyslumber

I'd like to hear the Police's justification for NOT charging him.

Probably just too busy harrassing women for knowing biological sex is real.

That's a good question, let's ask them. They are bound to be neutral and impartial on such matters...
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Flingobaps · 15/11/2021 14:12

@beastlyslumber

I hope he's struck off. It's the only tolerable outcome, surely.
Trouble is, those in authority are so utterly terrified of having their name besmirched with accusations of transphobia, bigotry or being "on the wrong side of history"...

My money's on a "now now" and a finger wag.

beastlyslumber · 15/11/2021 14:08

I'd like to hear the Police's justification for NOT charging him.

Probably just too busy harrassing women for knowing biological sex is real.

RedDogsBeg · 15/11/2021 14:07

@beastlyslumber

I hope he's struck off. It's the only tolerable outcome, surely.
and charged criminally, some of those tweets cannot be interpreted as anything other than blackmail, add to that the menacing nature of them, then there's the intimidation and bullying and this was a persistent and long running campaign against the individuals, not a one off.

I'd like to hear the Police's justification for NOT charging him.

Flingobaps · 15/11/2021 14:00

@StellaAndCrow

He's going to have to be very careful not to let them see him angry. I honestly don't know anyone that can listen to him and not see him as an angry misogynist.
"A dictionary definition on a billboard makes men feel unsafe".

This quote encapsulates so much. I love Posie!

beastlyslumber · 15/11/2021 13:57

I hope he's struck off. It's the only tolerable outcome, surely.

FannyCann · 15/11/2021 13:55

Looks like they have quite sensibly restricted the charges to particularly egregious tweets involving targeted harassment (possibly at a criminal level) of certain individuals who are able to be witnesses. The multitude of other offensive tweets could be argued to be just twitter bantz and finding them offensive just a subjective judgement. Much better to stick with hard evidence of harassment and intimidation.

Though I think in one of the instances the place of work mentioned was also a place of worship and at the time I felt concern for the safety and well-being of individuals in the congregation, not to mention the lack of respect that could amount to religious discrimination. I hope that is pointed out.

Motorina · 15/11/2021 13:46

If anyone knows who the committee chair is then I would be interested, please.

Datun · 15/11/2021 13:45

@StellaAndCrow

And the GMC consider if a doctor is "bringing the profession into disrepute"

Dr H truly made me reconsider going to a male doctor in case they were a misogynist like him. He has caused me to lose some faith in the medical profession.

Same here. It has absolutely made me view male doctors through a completely different lens.

I hope that this tribunal sends the message to other women hating men that they cannot get away with this kind of intimidation

ItsLittoralViolins · 15/11/2021 13:30

I would sincerely hope that after the Tribunal is concluded, and the witnesses have given their evidence and AH his defence and mitigation, that the Police take another hard look at this and the intimidation element(s).

The Tribunal proceedings, laying out all the evidence and the effects of AH's actions on the witnesses, might focus minds, at the IOPC if not Merseyside Police.

Redshoeblueshoe · 15/11/2021 13:23

I've got Mrmenno singing The Adrian Harrop song in my head Grin

CompleteGinasaur · 15/11/2021 13:22

I think one of the (many) things he is going to have serious difficulty explaining away is not just the actual meat of the charges but the sheer and sustained vindictiveness, the gleeful malevolence displayed as he escalates through his petulant narcissistic rampage..

Rightsraptor · 15/11/2021 13:19

It's been an extraordinary thing to watch over these last couple of years. His lack of impulse control has been alarming.

But at least he felt able 'to bring his whole self to work' eh?

I complained to the GMC about the 'T**f exterminator' tweets and they told me they were aware this doctor. I've never met AH but, like StellaAndCrow, his behaviour has caused me concern about dealings with male doctors. Not good.

StellaAndCrow · 15/11/2021 13:15

@nauticant

Do the proceedings include the tweet in which Harrop said that the activities of a gender critical woman needed to be stopped "by whatever means necessary"?
Yes, it does include that one, and notes intention to intimidate You can see the allegation sheets on this thread: twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1460180124008169477
BoreOfWhabylon · 15/11/2021 13:15

I do think his only possible defence would be some sort of escalating mental health issue.

Sexnotgender · 15/11/2021 13:13

@nauticant

Do the proceedings include the tweet in which Harrop said that the activities of a gender critical woman needed to be stopped "by whatever means necessary"?
I don’t believe they do as it’s outwith the timeframe.
StellaAndCrow · 15/11/2021 13:12

@LizzieSiddal

His treatment of several women seems to have been targeted and threatening. I know several people made complaints to the GMC and iirc he was then given a Supervisor. That obviously didn’t work out did it.

I do remember thinking I’d be petrified if I ever went into a medical setting and saw him there.

Yes, I thought this as well. I'd have to just walk out.
nauticant · 15/11/2021 13:12

Do the proceedings include the tweet in which Harrop said that the activities of a gender critical woman needed to be stopped "by whatever means necessary"?

Mollyollydolly · 15/11/2021 13:10

It's interesting he's not been charged by the Police when you see the charges listed in black and white like that isn't it?
Why not?
So many individuals had a knock on the door for much less.
It's certainly a lesson in what social media can do to a person. Watching the escalation on twitter was an education.