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Harrop MPTS Hearing

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/10/2021 16:18

I thought this may be of interest:

www.mpts-uk.org/hearings-and-decisions/medical-practitioners-tribunals/dr-adrian-harrop-nov-21

The tribunal will inquire into the allegation that from 10 May 2018 to 23 November 2019, Dr Harrop inappropriately used his Twitter account to post tweets that were offensive and/or insulting and/or inappropriate in nature and some of which were intended to intimidate.

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Datun · 15/11/2021 15:59

@FindTheTruth

14.c.Referring to E’s health Harrop tweeted “… she’s more mentally unstable than I previously thought…#unstable #unsafe”

Further example the GMC say of Harrop referring to people who were not his patients in terms of [some sort] of medical diagnosis.

It's not just about referring to people in terms of a diagnosis. He is using a medical condition as an insult.

He is using hypothetical medical conditions to insult and undermine women.

ClosdesMouches · 15/11/2021 15:59

I don't think he will get anything more than a slap on the wrist, but I am pleased that GMC did take the complaints seriously. For a long time it did seem that nothing was being done about this.

Agree terfydactyl it's always amusing to see his expressions in that video, especially when Posie says 'well they're not women' !

NeedsCharging · 15/11/2021 15:58

According to JP.
Harrop is only in this terrible position because mnetters organised a hate campaign against him and we used what he said in anger and frustration against him.

Thanks for not including me in the I hate Harrop campaign guys tut Grin

FindTheTruth · 15/11/2021 15:57

14.c.Referring to E’s health Harrop tweeted “… she’s more mentally unstable than I previously thought…#unstable #unsafe”

Further example the GMC say of Harrop referring to people who were not his patients in terms of [some sort] of medical diagnosis.

Terfydactyl · 15/11/2021 15:50

@StellaAndCrow

He's going to have to be very careful not to let them see him angry. I honestly don't know anyone that can listen to him and not see him as an angry misogynist.
Every single time I see that video I am delighted. Cant help but chortle every time i see haddocks face.
RedDogsBeg · 15/11/2021 15:49

Interesting Artichoke, the Mail went hard on the Kate Scottow(?) case.

Datun · 15/11/2021 15:49

@PronounssheRa

Two written warnings and he continued to post, he really thought he was untouchable.

Judging from J Priors 'I know something you don't know' tweet i suspect his defense is going to be she was asking for it

Of course. An ad hominem that means she deserved it. As do they all. For different reasons obvs.
FindTheTruth · 15/11/2021 15:47

There were many references to Tweeters E’s location as some mentioned were near to where Tweeter E lived.

March 2019, Dr Harrop publishes an apology to E, for his inadvertent retweet [I believe this is relating to Tweeter C].

Datun · 15/11/2021 15:47

@RedDogsBeg

Hmm, tricky question that Datun, I'll go for a round zero.
I think you're probably right.

Which is why I'm finding the motivation constantly being called 'differing views' a little misleading.

And why, in my opinion, it undermines his position even more.

He may not know the views of his patients, but he'll know if they're women.

PronounssheRa · 15/11/2021 15:44

Two written warnings and he continued to post, he really thought he was untouchable.

Judging from J Priors 'I know something you don't know' tweet i suspect his defense is going to be she was asking for it

FindTheTruth · 15/11/2021 15:44

Twitter user E. March, 2019- Harrop engaged in a conversation with Twitter user C. ‘Do let’s get our collective knickers in a twist…’ Then go on to talk of a golf course and discuss where Harrop and C will be meeting for a cream tea.

The tweet had violent undertones as it talked of a golf club and they referred to tweeter E as ‘Surrey Stalker’.

Artichokeleaves · 15/11/2021 15:43

sorry, Mail Online, not Daily Mail.

Artichokeleaves · 15/11/2021 15:42

Tweets have just mentioned a Daily Mail journalist is there.

lanadelgrey · 15/11/2021 15:40

All one can hope is that the local paper is reporting this too. His practice, unless he is a lone GP, won’t want him and presumably a lot of patients on his list will be dubious about him if he retains his certificate

1234comeonbabysayyouloveme · 15/11/2021 15:39

I really hope we get similar levels of detail when Garden Court and Stonewall are up next year.

RedDogsBeg · 15/11/2021 15:37

@Personwithrage

Registered medical professionals are "required to uphold the public's perception of their profession at all times while registered." So not just at work, just always, because they are seen in a different way to others. How did this go so far?

The NHS has guidelines for anyone employed or associated with it re their online conduct. Again, how did this go on so long?

Well by any view Harrop has failed that requirement spectacularly.
RedDogsBeg · 15/11/2021 15:32

Hmm, tricky question that Datun, I'll go for a round zero.

Personwithrage · 15/11/2021 15:32

Registered medical professionals are "required to uphold the public's perception of their profession at all times while registered." So not just at work, just always, because they are seen in a different way to others. How did this go so far?

The NHS has guidelines for anyone employed or associated with it re their online conduct. Again, how did this go on so long?

WinterTrees · 15/11/2021 15:32

And all of these swaggeringly arrogant, threatening tweets were made before the Maya judgement significantly changed the landscape, in a time when Stonewall law was in the ascendent and women risked everything - reputation, livelihood, personal safety - by speaking out against the high church of genderists (Harrop self-appointed bishop thereof.)

It's appalling to see it all laid out in the cold light of day, but also a measure of how far we've come that it really does seem so chillingly extreme now. IIRC at the time it was loathsome but felt pretty predictable and unsurprising.

Datun · 15/11/2021 15:31

@RedDogsBeg

Moving on to tweeter D. GMC says this tweet made reference to a medical diagnosis, and Harrop should not have commented on the mental health of tweeter D.

A Doctor is doing this, a Doctor fgs, how the hell he is going to justify this I do not know. His behaviour is abhorrent and has been for a long time, the GMC should have come down much harder much sooner.

Agreed. And him using the term 'when your meds kick in' appears to be him using a massive part of his profession to sound like a glib insult.

Ugh.

I'd put this horrible little man out of my head. But all this rage and hate in one place is awful to watch.

Datun · 15/11/2021 15:29

Pronouns from the tribunal aside, how many of the people he harassed are men?

RedDogsBeg · 15/11/2021 15:28

Moving on to tweeter D. GMC says this tweet made reference to a medical diagnosis, and Harrop should not have commented on the mental health of tweeter D.

A Doctor is doing this, a Doctor fgs, how the hell he is going to justify this I do not know. His behaviour is abhorrent and has been for a long time, the GMC should have come down much harder much sooner.

FindTheTruth · 15/11/2021 15:25

Tweeter B became aware of tweets sent to him. GMC say tweets were motivated by Harrop’s knowledge that tweeter B was the opposite side or the ‘transgender’ debate.

Moving on to tweeter D. GMC says this tweet made reference to a medical diagnosis, and Harrop should not have commented on the mental health of tweeter D.

Tweets by Harrop were again made because the individual was on the opposite side of the debate. GMC say the tweets were intimidating.

FindTheTruth · 15/11/2021 15:20

GMC say location references in tweets between Harrop and C were not out of chance, but a result of research into tweeter B, and there were “threatening undertones towards B.”

Yet again we are seeing TRA actions in the cold light of a court or tribunal. much needed clarity.

FindTheTruth · 15/11/2021 15:18

British Medical Association guidance the GMC is now referring to (2012). Issues of trolling, harassment and abuse is covered. ‘There is never any justification to be abusive’ even though there will be differences of opinion.

Core expectations from the previous documents stated will assist the GMC is their case.

In 2018, Dr Harrop was on his Post Grad (Health Education England) the GMC received a number of complaints. The GMC asked his professor to discuss with him and remind him of his duties.

Harrop, as this point said the complainant was “transphobic” and he was “using his public platform for good.” Dr Harrop was reminded of guidance and warned further complaints would leave to a referral to GMC.

At a further meeting, Harrop said that he was “defending an important position.” Harrop had two written warnings. Further complaints received led to a referral in 2019 to GMC. Referrals were also made by a “number of other individuals.”

General twitter conduct; offensive tweets and insulting individuals through replies for example. Referring to one particular tweet now. It’s a response and states ‘the conclusion is that you are just a bit cognitively impaired… and the anti- trans bigots will take care of you’

‘Give it another hour and your morning meds will have kicked in.’ GP is going through a few tweets and saying they were inappropriate.

‘Cispeople’ are generally just awful…. GMC says that he is referring to the majority of his patients and thus is “offensive and inappropriate.”
The Adrian Harrop Tribunal

Relating to twitter user A… ‘You’re the creepy stalker one’ and then goes on to publish user A’s full name. Tweeter A asks for name to be removed. Harrop responds, ‘I want you to apologise… delete your tweets and get off twitter forever.’

Harrop screenshots A’s employer and repeats real name. Harrop publicly revealed A’s real name on his public platform to his thousands of followers, 4,000 approx at the time.

He also calls tweeter A ‘a transphobic bigot’ and that she doesn’t deserve safety. GMC were tagged in tweets but did not make a response.

GMC say that ‘doxxing A’ was motivated by his “differing views on the transgender debate.” GMC’s view is that “Harrop saw it as his job to try and silence those on the opposing side.”

RD is now referring to a separate set of tweets, where he was chatting with tweeter C. ‘We should go on a little weekend away… ‘ C is on same side as Harrop and their twitter exchanges were used to ‘harass’ Tweeter B.

GMC say location references in tweets between Harrop and C were not out of chance, but a result of research into tweeter B, and there were “threatening undertones towards B.”

Tweeter B became aware of tweets sent to him. GMC say tweets were motivated by Harrop’s knowledge that tweeter B was the opposite side or the ‘transgender’ debate.

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