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Harrop MPTS Hearing

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/10/2021 16:18

I thought this may be of interest:

www.mpts-uk.org/hearings-and-decisions/medical-practitioners-tribunals/dr-adrian-harrop-nov-21

The tribunal will inquire into the allegation that from 10 May 2018 to 23 November 2019, Dr Harrop inappropriately used his Twitter account to post tweets that were offensive and/or insulting and/or inappropriate in nature and some of which were intended to intimidate.

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Redshoeblueshoe · 17/11/2021 14:52

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BoreOfWhabylon · 17/11/2021 14:48

Thanks all Smile

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 17/11/2021 14:45

@donquixotedelamancha

Mm, that’s a bit like declaring you’ve read the T&Cs before every online purchase though. More honoured in the breach than the observance.

I don't agree. My job involves similarly detailed professional standards. I can't give you chapter and verse but I can certainly give you the key points.

I'd potentially expect dismissal for comments like his, and that's without two warnings.

If you're not a doctor, I don't see the relevance of the norms of your profession to AH? So it's not really a matter of agreement or disagreement, is it? It's different professions having different norms.

I'm talking about the norms in medicine. There are 32 GMC guidelines over 11 categories. Most doctors would be hard-pressed to list the categories, let alone all the the guidelines, so many won't be aware that the GMC even has a social medical guideline (though of course AH knew after he was warned). And most tick the 'Yes I have read the guidance' box on their appraisal because it's one of 100s of documents they have to read every day, and they couldn't function if they actually read them all properly. That may be uncomfortable to hear, but it's the truth.

And dismissal isn't the issue here - it's (potentially) erasure from the professional register, the thresholds for which tend to be considerably higher than dismissal from an individual employer.

Again, I am not advocating for AH's position; I am just trying to give context that will help non-medical posters interpret what is going on.

PigeonLittle · 17/11/2021 14:40

Reading that VICE article I feel even more hopeful about the sanctions from this hearing.

Without reading it, it struck me as an odd choice that someone in trouble for "speaking out", is speaking out during the hearing process. He does not appear contrite at all.

To his critics he says "You will not win" which translates to "I am not wrong"

Have a good week Harrop!!

ArabellaScott · 17/11/2021 14:40

Vice article is on archive.org.

ItsLittoralViolins · 17/11/2021 14:39

Bugger. I cut and paste "GMC representative is Mr Giles Powell (GP)" from tribunal tweeting from Monday.

Sorry if that's wrong. Better check, @BoreOfWhabylon.

Ekofisk · 17/11/2021 14:35

No - RD is the GMC barrister I believe?

Good morning on Day 2 of Dr Adrian Harrop's tribunal (abbreviated to AH). We are due to start at 11am today. I will use initials RD for the GMC representative Mr Ryan Donoghue and GP for Harrop’s representative Mr Giles Powell.

ItsLittoralViolins · 17/11/2021 14:34

[quote Ekofisk]GMC barrister:

www.newparkcourt.co.uk/barristers/ryan-donoghue/[/quote]
Isn't that the defence barrister?

ItsLittoralViolins · 17/11/2021 14:33

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Ekofisk · 17/11/2021 14:33

GMC barrister:

www.newparkcourt.co.uk/barristers/ryan-donoghue/

PigeonLittle · 17/11/2021 14:30

Is someone archiving that Vice article before it disappears? Wink

PigeonLittle · 17/11/2021 14:29

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Terfasaurus · 17/11/2021 14:29

Harrop’s barrister:

oldsquare.co.uk/people/giles-powell/

BoreOfWhabylon · 17/11/2021 14:27

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow

I’m definitely not defending the disclosure! I’m just surprised that a trained journalist - even one as crap as Ben Hunte - would put this in print if it’s actually unlawful for AH to have passed them on.
Just as Harrop was eager to be seen as the 'go to' media doctor for all things trans, so is Ben eager to be seen as the journalistic equivalent.

Eagerness appears to have impaired judgement in both cases.

BoreOfWhabylon · 17/11/2021 14:25

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MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 17/11/2021 14:23

I’m definitely not defending the disclosure! I’m just surprised that a trained journalist - even one as crap as Ben Hunte - would put this in print if it’s actually unlawful for AH to have passed them on.

donquixotedelamancha · 17/11/2021 14:20

Mm, that’s a bit like declaring you’ve read the T&Cs before every online purchase though. More honoured in the breach than the observance.

I don't agree. My job involves similarly detailed professional standards. I can't give you chapter and verse but I can certainly give you the key points.

I'd potentially expect dismissal for comments like his, and that's without two warnings.

FindTheTruth · 17/11/2021 14:19

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Lovelyricepudding · 17/11/2021 14:18

BoreofWhabylon Flowers

Effzeh · 17/11/2021 14:17

@Lovelyricepudding

I don’t know about MPTS, but witness statements to courts are usually disclosable. But surely witness statements to the MPTS are likely to regularly include highly confidential medical information?
Disclosable to parties involved in the case is one thing, disclosable in the sense of putting confidential material in the public domain is quite another, surely?

My work routinely involves confidential witness statements, and I would expect to be taken to the cleaners and back again if I shared any part of that information with third parties without specific authorisation.

I won't even reference my involvement in named casework in a professional context unless I know that information is already in the public domain.

Lovelyricepudding · 17/11/2021 14:10

I don’t know about MPTS, but witness statements to courts are usually disclosable.
But surely witness statements to the MPTS are likely to regularly include highly confidential medical information?

CompleteGinasaur · 17/11/2021 14:08

Oh thank you, thank you, thank you . You absolute beauty.

BoreOfWhabylon · 17/11/2021 14:06

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ItsLittoralViolins · 17/11/2021 14:00

@Lordamighty

Overall, he just doesn’t seem very bright & he certainly lacks awareness. His exchanges on Twitter where he calls for cis* women to be banned from women’s toilets is comedy gold. * I’m only using that stupid word cis because it’s what Harrop used.
I genuinely thought at first that that toilet stuff had to be some sort of hoax or performance art or ironic trolling - but it was actually the real thoughts of AH.

For a qualified doctor he appears disturbingly weak in the thinking department. Comes across as almost ... impaired?? Very odd.

Lordamighty · 17/11/2021 13:52

Overall, he just doesn’t seem very bright & he certainly lacks awareness. His exchanges on Twitter where he calls for cis* women to be banned from women’s toilets is comedy gold.

  • I’m only using that stupid word cis because it’s what Harrop used.