Margaret Atwood

Jammidoger has made a lot of money from that video that attacks JK Rowling and attacks Maya with false accusations. TRA woke teachers. /teaching assistants in schools link to this video to silence school kids questioning their beliefs. Detransitioners mention trans men YT videos that told them life would be great and now they regret watching them. and Margaret Attwood promotes it even after the vile abuse she's received. Not innocent. Not kind. Not harmless

MA still an aunt Lydia then

'Do it to Julia'.

Atwood just bad mouthed maya and JKR.

Atwood held out for almost 5 days.

And, as others remark, she has now Room 101'd other women. She's living through and behaving in ways that any social psychologist versed in conformity or brainwashing (Cialdini, Lifton) would expect. Atwood may well be in for a shock if she expects this to save her from the continuing ostracism from her chosen community for her perceived lack of purity. The best that she can hope for is to cry as she realises her struggle was finished. [She] had won the victory over [herself]. [She] loved Big Brother.

They might not change their overall battle stance for a long time but I can't think this will go entirely unnoticed by some who look up to her or share communities with her. If any of that community has the moral courage to look further, this can only be helped by Maya Forstater's very dignified thread in response to MA spreading disinformation and slurs.

twitter.com/MForstater/status/1452320740531916802?s=20

Screenshot of Maya's response to Atwood.

Absolutely despicable of her to send the mob after Maya and JKR

It’s one thing to back down in the face of abuse, but to direct it to other women is unforgivable. What an appalling individual

I don't really understand Twitter, so I can't see the recent tweet people are talking about.

She’s not embarrassed.

She did it deliberately

She sent links to YouTube’s.

Rotten thing to do. Hurting others

Do it to Julia

How embarrassing for her.

She seems beyond hope, littlbrowndog. That was a very shit thing to do.

It's horrible to see her throw other women under the bus to try and crawl out herself. She is craven. Why doesn't she just keep quiet if she's not got the guts for it. It's such an unedifying spectacle. Undignified.

How could she do that. Atwood has had so much hate sent to her

Yet she sends it to other women

Do it to them. Don’t do it to me

Treacherous

Atwood just bad mouthed maya and JKR.

FFS
has she no honour or morals.

Give up with her. After all the horrible things said to her which I have shown here

She sent the mob after them.

Treacherous woman

Ah sorry, my mistake.

Vice, your mistake there is looking for logic. This movement only works if you studiously avoid reasoned, logical thinking.

I wonder if she's going to end up a prequel to The Handmaid's Tale where the wives of the commanders, the women at the pinnacle of the female hierarchyand up holders of the feminine idealturn out not to be infertile because of some environmental disaster but because they never had uteri in the first place...

It must have crossed her mind and this shits writing itself.

[quote WeeBisom]@ArabellaScott, the only people I can think of are people who subsequently identified as trans. There's this woman (forgot her name, she has a trans husband and trans children) who wrote a book about having a trans child and was criticised for 'cisplaining' and she seems to have been welcomed back after identifying as non binary. I think a similar thing happened to Jack Monroe. So maybe Atwood can identify as 'they/them' and avoid getting death threats that way?[/quote]
But surely, logically, "cisplaining" can't exist? If a transwoman is identically the same as all other women, then all women must, by definition, be identically the same as transwomen, and we must have the exact same lived experiences, and therefore we have as much authority to speak/write on the subject of being trans as anyone else?

[quote EmbarrassingHadrosaurus]I've just posted Robert Lifton's 8 Criteria for Thought Reform. All 8 are interesting but I'm highlighting these as a partial explanation of why Atwood's membership of the community means that she couldn't perhaps cope with the dissonance of reading Joyce or Stock or comparable authors. In a way (and I've edited out this one) it's quite telling that she's now promoting Shon Faye's book both as a pledge of allegiance and as a simulacrum of a sacred text.

Milieu Control. This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large.

Demand for Purity. The world is viewed as black and white and the members are constantly exhorted to conform to the ideology of the group and strive for perfection. The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here.

Loading the Language. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the group's way of thinking.

Doctrine over person. Members' personal experiences are subordinated to the sacred science and any contrary experiences must be denied or reinterpreted to fit the ideology of the group.

Dispensing of existence. The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious, and must be converted to the group's ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism

Previously posted criteria here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4382551-Live-not-by-lies-Solzhenitsyn-no-tambourines-involved?msgid=111900052[/quote]
I am so glad my misanthropic tendencies mean I loath the idea of belonging to any community, leaves my mind free to think independently. I might not have the intelligence of the likes of Atwood, but it is my intelligence and not limited by belonging to a set tribe.

Maya Forstater is accused of holding views that she doesn't because she has a protected belief. There are no examples of her manifesting her critical beliefs in a controversial manner and yet the apprehension that she might was sufficient for the first (erroneous) judgment against her (now successfully appealed). And we now await what may well be a set of hypotheticals about colleagues that don't exist when the Tribunal hearing proper gets underway in 2022.

@ArabellaScott, the only people I can think of are people who subsequently identified as trans. There's this woman (forgot her name, she has a trans husband and trans children) who wrote a book about having a trans child and was criticised for 'cisplaining' and she seems to have been welcomed back after identifying as non binary. I think a similar thing happened to Jack Monroe. So maybe Atwood can identify as 'they/them' and avoid getting death threats that way?

As a woman - if someone who worked for me did this, I would feel very very uncomfortable with him around. He seems to think very little of women, and if he is happy to threaten women in public, what else is going on in that little head of his?

It is arabella

You seen the violence against women tweet that snp researcher retweeted

It's the same pattern every time.

Sorry from boodleoops article