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Margaret Atwood

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MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 19/10/2021 14:22

twitter.com/MargaretAtwood/status/1450429768067846145?t=8q-A8MlvzZsx6pt4Vu1_LA&s=19

Has retweeted an article from the Toronto Star "why can't we say woman anymore" and bloody hell are they coming for the latest witch burning in the comments!

Ranging from disappointment to the usual sweary abuse. I thought oh how long till the capitulation begins, turns out I didn't have to wait long!

She's following it up with retweets about 'we can say people when it's accurate and inclusive' and then defending the article because the writer isn't "a terf"???

Not really sure what she's trying to achieve here, anyone?

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TreXX · 19/10/2021 19:52

Also, my mother is twaw but she loves Atwood and follows her on Twitter.

I'm taking a drip drip non confrontational approach with her and I can't help but think this will catch her attention

TreXX · 19/10/2021 19:50

Well if Atwood really has altered her stance I will welcome it wholeheartedly.

I'd like people to feel they can change their minds or develop their thoughts and understanding. I don't want a them and us situation either...

ArabellaScott · 19/10/2021 19:44

@Floisme

Well this is unexpected - I actually thought it must be another Margaret Atwood at first.

As I recall JKR, took things very slowly at first - didn't her agent or publicist blame it on a 'senior moment' when she liked the wrong kind of tweet? - so I'm happy to give Atwood some room to manoeuvre and I don't really get the 'serves her right' kind of sentiments. Do we want people to change their minds or not?

My guess is that Atwoord will backtrack and apologise at this point but it's still out there now and she won't be able to unsay it or unsee it. And Canada too. Fascinating.

Same. I'm really surprised and heartened.

Since those earlier tweets, Margaret Atwood has retweeted two posts from feminist organisation 'Equality Now', one about female leadership and one about the new president of Ghana, who has campaigned against FGM.

I would be utterly delighted to see Atwood stand up for women and call out the people who are currently sending her death/suck threats. She may also realise how 't*' is used as a baseless misogynist insult, as it is being thrown at her over and over.

TrainedByDinosaurs · 19/10/2021 19:43

@Pterfodactyl

She clearly didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

I don't feel sorry for her at all. She's rich to the point of untouchable and revered worldwide as the sage on dystopian societies. She could have been a voice in support of women living in this terrifying dystopian present. She's betrayed all women.

This^^

She’s thrown other women under the bus to maintain her allyship

I feel very sorry for women who get outed when their jobs are impacted not not women who sacrifice others to maintain their positions and she doesn’t need to maintain her livelihood in the same way. And as a producer of something where consumer sales make a difference she could well have seen the GC market is not insignificant

EarthSight · 19/10/2021 19:39

@yourhairiswinterfire

Read her piece, she's not a terf

''Don't turn on us, we're not like all the other girls'' 🙄

@yourhairiswinterfire Haha. So true.
trancepants · 19/10/2021 19:37

It's connected but not a pile on JKR. Either TRA's comparing Atwood to JKR or posts pointing out Atwood turned on JKR. Weird that it's JK Rowling that's trending over Margaret Atwood.

trancepants · 19/10/2021 19:33

So on Irish Twitter, JK Rowling is trending. I'm off to see if it's connected. But I'm afraid to look.

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 19/10/2021 19:32

I was thinking that if Handmaid was written now it would almost definitely have a trans character. But then I thought that Testaments doesn’t, does it? And neither does the TV series, so far.

Floisme · 19/10/2021 19:31

Well this is unexpected - I actually thought it must be another Margaret Atwood at first.

As I recall JKR, took things very slowly at first - didn't her agent or publicist blame it on a 'senior moment' when she liked the wrong kind of tweet? - so I'm happy to give Atwood some room to manoeuvre and I don't really get the 'serves her right' kind of sentiments. Do we want people to change their minds or not?

My guess is that Atwoord will backtrack and apologise at this point but it's still out there now and she won't be able to unsay it or unsee it. And Canada too. Fascinating.

RedDogsBeg · 19/10/2021 19:24

Seems like the gun gifs are out for Margaret Attwood, perhaps this will open her eyes and give her pause for thought about what JKR went through whilst MA cheered on from the side-lines.

MadameKali · 19/10/2021 19:17

Margaret Atwood? The woman who literally wrote the book on sex based discrimination, before deciding to throw the vagina people under the bus, finally gets a glimpse of what's been going on and what she's been complicit in, whispers an objection and gets piled on? Oh dear. What a pity. Never mind

AuntyFungal · 19/10/2021 18:58

@Pterfodactyl

She clearly didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

I don't feel sorry for her at all. She's rich to the point of untouchable and revered worldwide as the sage on dystopian societies. She could have been a voice in support of women living in this terrifying dystopian present. She's betrayed all women.

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition Grin

Sorry / not sorry - she can F the right O.

Bright, educated, well read - the world at your intellectual fingertips.
Weasel off.

What’s she been doing all this time? Crocheting under a rock!!!

I’d take Greer, Rowling et al for a pint any day.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 19/10/2021 18:42

@Mollyollydolly

Am I childish that I want JK Rowling to tweet her a heart.
I do think it would be fantastic if JK Rowling offered her support against the onslaught.

OK who is jeeeezasaurus? loved that post

Mollyollydolly · 19/10/2021 18:38

Am I childish that I want JK Rowling to tweet her a heart.

ferretface · 19/10/2021 18:35

This is great! A disproportionate pile on after making a completely innocuous point is exactly the way to peak someone, so I thank the TRAs for their service.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 19/10/2021 18:34

One of the difficulties with Gottman's cooler theory* is that there has to be a sizeable community that is willing to re-consider their position when somebody who is 'one of them' like Atwood seems to be granting that the 'other side' has a point.

Mrsjamin · 19/10/2021 18:33

What a pile on she's getting. I hope she is seeing the light. It would be incredible if the scales fell from her eyes from this.

Delphinium20 · 19/10/2021 18:32

The "official" Women's March dictated no Handmaid's Tale costumes for the recent Texas abortion rights protest. Women were pissed about that and I wonder if Atwood heard about this bizarre dictate and is starting to feel things personally...women don't want to be policed in language or clothing and I am very interested in what Atwood thinks about all this. She is my favorite author and I studied her extensively for my English undergraduate, so I want to give her grace and hope she will have a mea culpa soon or at least acknowledge that the screaming mobs can never be reasoned with.

BraveBananaBadge · 19/10/2021 18:24

A quick look sees a lot of the pile on just happy to dismiss her for being old and white. Let's just hope the witch doesn't burn...

ErrolTheDragon · 19/10/2021 18:21

I noticed with interest that women journalists in the Times who have never addressed this last week talked in their columns about the eradication of women's language and the abuse of Kathleen Stock (Melnanie Reid & Libby Purves)

Melanie Reid has done some good reviews of GC books, iirc. I think Libby Purves has touched on it before but perhaps less overtly.

2319inprogress · 19/10/2021 18:13

No apology after an hour & she has been tweeting about the plight of Afghan GIRLS recently.

I noticed that for a huge account she gets very few likes/replies usually.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 19/10/2021 18:08

I was checking in to see if:

– MA had recanted;
– just how grovelling MA's apology is;
– how much re-education MA is pledging herself to undertake.

The slightest deviation will not be tolerated until the day that we are all consumed by the fires of our impurity.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/10/2021 18:08

Trouble for tra central is that the overreach is so extreme. Complete eradication of anything connected with women.The explosion in children suddenly deciding they're trans - many still in primary school. Protesting outside women's meetings with vile threats of sexual violence. Threatening women academics and stopping them doing their job. No boundaries - and everyone sees this.
I noticed with interest that women journalists in the Times who have never addressed this last week talked in their columns about the eradication of women's language and the abuse of Kathleen Stock (Melnanie Reid & Libby Purves)
Like others, I've limited sympathy for Atwood but am fascinated to see the nature of the hostage confession that will be written.

Helleofabore · 19/10/2021 18:07

Go Margaret!!

What did she think she was agreeing to with that letter?

rabbitwoman · 19/10/2021 18:06

Oh, sorry, the point I was trying yo make was that many of my friends say they are supportive of trans rights and do whatever they are told is the right thing..... Except every day they are thinking, doing and saying something that is actually GC....

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