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Margaret Atwood

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MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 19/10/2021 14:22

twitter.com/MargaretAtwood/status/1450429768067846145?t=8q-A8MlvzZsx6pt4Vu1_LA&s=19

Has retweeted an article from the Toronto Star "why can't we say woman anymore" and bloody hell are they coming for the latest witch burning in the comments!

Ranging from disappointment to the usual sweary abuse. I thought oh how long till the capitulation begins, turns out I didn't have to wait long!

She's following it up with retweets about 'we can say people when it's accurate and inclusive' and then defending the article because the writer isn't "a terf"???

Not really sure what she's trying to achieve here, anyone?

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WarriorN · 24/10/2021 09:05

She's trying very hard to be a centrist in a binary argument.

When it boils down to science, biology and law, you can't appease both sides.

WarriorN · 24/10/2021 09:03

I don't know much about the laura Bates book - was there any analysis of the GC / trans perspectives?

1Week · 24/10/2021 09:00

I think some of them really really believe they're on the cusp of being genocides.

How on earth will they ever come back from this?

BraveBananaBadge · 24/10/2021 08:57

It looks as if she's thinking clearly and explaining herself without being defensive but why she's bothering to appease the likes of these people - who see anything that isn't trans centred as wishing them all dead - is a waste of everyone's energy. See also the silly fool whining to her that there's "no safe spaces for trans people in the UK" etc etc Hysterics.

Margaret Atwood
1Week · 24/10/2021 08:49

There's lots of heavy incentives not to get it, unfortunately

beastlyslumber · 24/10/2021 08:43

She doesn't get it, does she? I hope she does look up GC. She needs to realise that there's no such thing as a "terf". But she seems to be trying to appease the TRAs more than anything else. It won't work, Margaret! You're on their list now.

EyesOpening · 24/10/2021 08:33

twitter.com/infiniteecho97/status/1452106799755243526?s=21

“You literally posted an article in which multiple trans women were referred to as men.”

“The op-ed? Not once are trans women referred to as men.”

“Multiple times, actually” shows photo

I don’t even know what to say!

Margaret Atwood
KittenKong · 24/10/2021 08:33

The address is still up there. God twitter - what the hell?

FindTheTruth · 24/10/2021 08:30

she's at the stage where she thinks she's the first person to put forward a reasonable argument and if only other women had been less mean and bigoted we'd have got our points across and solved all this. I don't think she's quite reached the stage where she realises that anyone who dares speak up, no matter how reasonably and kindly, will be labelled a witch and burned at the stake.

Yup, this is what's happening to individuals constantly, snowballing into swathes of populations.

WarriorN · 24/10/2021 08:21

The problem is what version of GC she is looking up.

A long chat with Maya is needed methinks.

WarriorN · 24/10/2021 08:20

Just catching up on this. My god.

MedusasBadHairDay · 24/10/2021 08:02

@KittenKong

Well, she’s still throwing it out like it’s an insult... which it is if you don’t know what it means...
Yep. I see lots of tweets telling her not to look up GC, so wonder if she will, or if she'll look it up but only read explanations from "approved" sources.
Deliriumoftheendless · 24/10/2021 07:58

Covert messages over the veg like in the Handmaid's Tale, maybe?
Maybe they rearrange the cucumbers and potatoes with a knowing look at each other?

KittenKong · 24/10/2021 07:48

Well, she’s still throwing it out like it’s an insult... which it is if you don’t know what it means...

MedusasBadHairDay · 24/10/2021 07:40

@teezletangler

I'm stunned that she has to look up GC. It suggests to me that she is not really aware of this issue. Maybe she genuinely did think JK Rowling is a raging transphobe because she hasn't looked into it before? Or she's playing dumb.
I suspect that up until recently she's obeyed when she's been told not to read stuff written by "TERFs". So genuinely has no idea what the other side of the argument actually is, she's at the stage where she thinks she's the first person to put forward a reasonable argument and if only other women had been less mean and bigoted we'd have got our points across and solved all this. I don't think she's quite reached the stage where she realises that anyone who dares speak up, no matter how reasonably and kindly, will be labelled a witch and burned at the stake.
AnyOldPrion · 24/10/2021 06:55

I’d say she’s still on the fence…. I think she sees herself as the only reasonable voice in the room atm

Sadly, I think this is true. She’s now working very hard to keep transactivists onside and prove her reasonableness. No idea whether her being doxxed is causing her to backtrack, but I get the impression she’s still thinking there are two extremist viewpoints, and if we all (both sides) could only be kind and work together, it would all be much better. She’s also obviously not understood the UK situation, which is no surprising, given the media situation in Canada that others have referred to on this thread.

Vanishun · 24/10/2021 06:49

Hmmm. She's still using language like "terfs" and talking about trans rights being human rights.

She's not quite twigged yet that she will forever be a "terf" to a lot of activists - or that "terfs" don't really exist, they're just people who question the narrative even a tiny bit.

teezletangler · 24/10/2021 06:26

I'm stunned that she has to look up GC. It suggests to me that she is not really aware of this issue. Maybe she genuinely did think JK Rowling is a raging transphobe because she hasn't looked into it before? Or she's playing dumb.

Delphinium20 · 24/10/2021 05:52

She's been doxxed...I find this chilling that Twitter didn't take this down immediately. She's an 80 year old woman...what is wrong with these people coming after her like this and putting her life at risk? I hope she has security.

ItsLateHumpty · 24/10/2021 05:40

I’d say she’s still on the fence…. I think she sees herself as the only reasonable voice in the room atm

twitter.com/MargaretAtwood/status/1452106388201693188

Tweet - Agreed! Atwood needs to resist the GC mob and support trans people.

Her reply - But I have been doing that for some time. You can look back through my Tweets.

That was an hour ago.

And she re tweeted this 2 hour old tweet;

Margaret E. Atwood Retweeted

Nili Kaplan-Myrth MD PhD @ nilikm 2h
Replying to @ MargaretAtwood
Yes. Human rights for all. Trans activism isn’t a threat to women. Bigotry, discrimination, misogyny, gender-based violence, those are the real issues. We can work together (we must) toward an inclusive, caring, safe society, as cis, trans, non-binary, and gender-queer people

LangificusClegasaurous · 24/10/2021 05:19

I couldn't see the tweet she was quoting, but I was surprised she said she needs to look up "GC." I hope she does so, soon and thoroughly.

Margaret Atwood
FindTheTruth · 24/10/2021 04:42

Attwood is linking to this article which says sex is a spectrum "many of us are biological hybrids on a male-female continuum" www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-new-science-of-sex-and-gender/ I'd love to be a fly on the all when a real scientist, Professor Emma Hilton explains the birds and the bees to Margaret Atwood, but alas that's in an alternate universe

FindTheTruth · 24/10/2021 04:35

People are suggesting that this author write an essay 😂

Gumbomambo · 24/10/2021 03:42

It’s moving very fast. She’s basically taking them down tweet by tweet. I’ve never ever seen anything like this. She’s destroying every attack by re tweeting the tweet and pulling it to bits. She’s just quoted RBG. She’s on fire.

Gumbomambo · 24/10/2021 03:11

I said she would apologise. Fucking hell. She’s gone Gilead on LGBTQ and stuff. Oh crickey!!!