Trans children (just deleted thread!)

I just don’t want the legal definition of “mother” to be changed here, at least not without a wider discussion of the direct and indirect consequences.

This is something I was interested in. If a person gains a birth certificate for their child from a different country which lists them as mother (when they are male) or father (when they are female), how does that translate in practice?

Obviously it will totally mess up genealogy, but what would be the impact on the child?

This is around the rights of the child not the parent.

And could children be born into the situation where no one has parental responsibility for them? I find that a scary thought.

It’s none of my business if people go abroad to give birth.

I just don’t want the legal definition of “mother” to be changed here, at least not without a wider discussion of the direct and indirect consequences.

The current UK law is child-centred - the person who gives birth to a baby is his/her mother and has automatic parental responsibility for him/her. This makes perfect sense for the baby, as s/he will already have started to bond with the mother in utero, and will have a strong instinct to stay close to her. And as the mother and baby are together, it makes sense that the mother is able to consent to medical treatment for the baby.

How would the alternative work? Could it lead to disputes between parents/couples as to who would be recorded as the mother of the baby? And how would any change benefit the child?

*your
C'mon autocorrect keep up!

Regarding legality, the term mother or father belongs to the child.

It's also preferred for tracing family tree records etc.

Fun biological fact; we inherit our mitochondria directly from our biological mothers.

I don't understand why so many eschew a GRC but fight tooth and nail for birth certificates, fine change you're own but the registration of birth belongs to the baby.

Personally I don't like the idea of lying to them from birth either.

Do you think that when Owain has a benefits interview he tells them he's a full time volunteer Mumsnet monitor?

It probably gets you lifetime sickness benefit, no further questions needed once it's on your Universal Credit record.

I'm seeing double.

It's the Prosecco sloe gin.

Storm front.

That can be my super hero costume....

So much so you had to say it twice @WarriorN 😆

Good to see the monitors are back, it's nice to be popular and interesting enough to be reposted on Twitter.

"I'll make you famous".

So much so you had to say it twice @WarriorN 😆

Good to see the monitors are back, it's nice to be popular and interesting enough to be reposted on Twitter.

"I'll make you famous".

Has David Paisley actually left Scotland?Because someone knew where he lived?

Deletion message here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4378832-Children-of-trans-parents

We've now removed several posts for speculation about an individual, in particular their mental health and ability to parent. As the thread has continued in this vein, we don't think this is really in the spirit of civil discussion and will now take it down. Please feel free to discuss the legal rights and ramifications involved in such cases without making it personal.

Personally I identify as a gin stormfront

Personally I identify as a gin stormfront

Oh I see...

twitter.com/owainalty/status/1450383774223568896?s=21

Was just looking for that thread, not surprised it has gone. Are we allowed to talk about this without mentioning the person or the child in broad terms or was it the word mother that caused offence?

(I haven't seen the deletion message.)