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'Transgender policies unfair to women' - Sports Councils Equality Group

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SocialConnection · 19/10/2021 00:18

www.womenarehuman.com/sports-councils-equality-group-research-determines-transgender-policies-unfair-to-women/

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Enough4me · 19/10/2021 23:27

I'm not sure this is fair though. The poor men with hurty feelings who want to win as women will need to compete with fellow men. How will they feel pouting, head tilting and forming hearts with their hands obviously womening abilities next to men?

334bu · 19/10/2021 23:21

As transmen have female bodies and, as long as they are not taking performance enhancing drugs like testosterone, they can continue to compete in the female categories, if they choose. All the transmen and non binary people born female who competed at the Tokyo Olympics, competed in the female category.

Franca123 · 19/10/2021 23:10

No shit sherlock

BlackeyedSusan · 19/10/2021 22:57

@andyoldlabour

Why has it taken so long to recognise the bleedin' obvious?
precisely
JoyousAsOtters · 19/10/2021 22:08

I wonder if Senator Claire Chandler in Tasmania has seen this yet ..

[https://www.senatorchandler.com.au/womens-sport]

BeBraverToday · 19/10/2021 21:48

@ArabellaScott

the SCEG found that men and women are very different

Grin

Who knew!
Peregrina · 19/10/2021 21:43

About time too.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 19/10/2021 21:37

Everybody knows this….

Gncq · 19/10/2021 21:35

While the research found that it is fair and safe for transgender people to be included within the male sports category, it determined that competitive fairness was lost with self-identification into the women’s category

Rather vague on transmen.

Common sense would say TM should be alright in the women's category and technically wouldn't be "self identifying" into it anyway, seeing as they're already female?
The obvious issue would be if a TM is taking T which is a performance enhancing drug. Then it's a no-no. In fact shouldn't a TM on T theoretically be banned from the men's category too?

Do amateur sport clubs even check if people are on performance enhancing drugs anyway? Probably not.

ArabellaScott · 19/10/2021 21:28

the SCEG found that men and women are very different

Grin
Piapiano · 19/10/2021 21:26

Would that mean transmen could no longer compete against women?

Gncq · 19/10/2021 21:24

There is one well known TM who swims professionally with the men. Never wins mind. Many TM probably do wish to compete with the men, but simply can't qualify.

I think they're proposing that all transpeople of either sex compete in the open category, alongside people of either sex who are not transgender.

Looks like we need more open category sports!

Piapiano · 19/10/2021 21:21

I'm not aware of any. They usually compete in the women's section. So sometimes TMAM and sometimes (when it suits them) TMAW.

NoWordForFluffy · 19/10/2021 21:17

The extract implies that this is an article about TW. As usual. Is it 'fair and safe' for transmen to be included within the male sports category?

Are there (m)any trans men with a desire to compete with natal men?

Kendodd · 19/10/2021 21:08

So what, if anything, will actually change as a result of this?

Gncq · 19/10/2021 21:00

Amazing.

Just need common sense like this to reach actual professional/elite sports.

titchy · 19/10/2021 20:59

Rumour has it they're going to be researching the toilet habits of bears next.....

MassiveHoard · 19/10/2021 20:49

Wow! Finally an unambiguous statement of fact about the physicality of men and women.

MrGHardy · 19/10/2021 20:15

"The research concluded: “For many sports, the inclusion of transgender people, fairness and safety cannot co-exist in a single competitive model.”

This is actually critical. They finally come out and state it.

Hoardasurass · 19/10/2021 16:25

Oh dear mermaids didn't get to advise them on inclusive sports 🤣

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NancyDrawed · 19/10/2021 15:47

Lisa Nandy will be so pleased - she said proper studies needed to be done as it wasn't possible to know about the fairness of including adult males in the adult females category!!

Now she can confidently say TWAW but if those same TW compete against women in women's sport categories, that isn't fair.

A bit from about 1.50 and again at 7 minutes.

fallfallfall · 19/10/2021 15:22

I see $$$ flying into the breeze. Money wasted on the obvious.

WhereYouLeftIt · 19/10/2021 14:23

@DifficultBloodyWoman

Does anyone else read this stuff whilst thinking, ‘no shit, Sherlock!’?
Almost Grin. My default is 'D'ye think?'
QuestionNumberOne · 19/10/2021 10:07

@DifficultBloodyWoman

Does anyone else read this stuff whilst thinking, ‘no shit, Sherlock!’?
Exactly my thoughts! But sadly the obvious needs stating and restating.

Just donated to Dr Jo Phoenix (link to donate on her Twitter account) - she needs our support in this fight.