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Queering of Motherhood. <warning>

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WarriorN · 17/10/2021 08:16

Disturbing content.

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-queering-of-motherhood?r=nbcqt&utmcampaign=post&utmmmedium=email&utmsource=

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summer712 · 22/05/2022 16:55

I'm not sure what that link is? Is it a man simulating what birth would be like? Sorry is that what this link is?

Snugglepumpkin · 22/05/2022 16:49

How has society fallen so far that pictures of child abuse are posted to be argued over in public with no expectation that the abuser will be arrested & convicted or even that the picture will be deleted?

The poor children forced into this will have to grow up knowing such disgusting pictures of themselves being abused are out there for every pervert to see.

Why aren't so called 'medical professionals' struck off for enabling the abuse of newborns?

So much for 'we just want to pee'.

Helleofabore · 22/05/2022 16:41

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/princess-mom?s=r

Just for those not familiar with this person.

Aspergirl77 · 22/05/2022 16:29

Grim. Just grim.

RichardOsmansXraySpecs · 22/05/2022 16:25

I feel a bit queasy.

MayorDusty · 22/05/2022 16:15

Your brain doesn't recognise at first @FrancescaContini it's so far from natural it just doesn't go in.

FrancescaContini · 22/05/2022 16:12

Those images in the post have the potential to taint beyond belief my memories of breastfeeding as being something so beautiful and unique to my relationship with my children. Honestly, I am sickened. Thanks for the warning at the top - it’s necessary.

MayorDusty · 22/05/2022 16:11

What a time to be alive.
😔

FrancescaContini · 22/05/2022 16:09

I couldn’t get far because I felt genuinely sick. And tearful. How the language used in the world of childbirth and early years appears to have changed in the 14 years or so since I last breastfed 😥

Rainbowshit · 22/05/2022 16:04

😳

Helleofabore · 22/05/2022 16:02

ooppsss.... sorry, wrong thread.

Helleofabore · 22/05/2022 15:51

Just adding this here again.

This is a really good capture of the growing number of extreme transitioned males fascination around pregnancy and breastfeeding. It is a great place to start and cannot be posted enough times.

Or maybe we are going to be told off that these are just the very thin edge of the wedge and to ignore them. Like all the other issues we discuss that we are told are not happening or not happening enough to be concerned about.

TrainedByDinosaurs · 18/10/2021 21:47

@ChiaraRimini

How can we say "these people are outliers" with any certainly as academic research is being shut down? It's horrific that babies are being co-opted into adults' delusions. Any incidence of this is unacceptable. The interruption of the mother-baby bonding process is not a trivial matter to be overlooked in the interests of affirming another adult's delusion.
There’s sufficient demand for very specific commercial products to be made for them (the baby dolls for insertion - still making me heave just to think about it). We’re deluding ourselves trying to hope these people are outliers.
TrainedByDinosaurs · 18/10/2021 12:21

I thought I’d seen the worst of this but dear god that last section made me audibly gasp in shock (and revulsion)

Zeev · 18/10/2021 12:03

For some men perhaps them not being the object of the fetish means they're not really seeing the problem. Or are also reasonably sympathetic towards it, because they are that way inclined themself.

The advent of the Internet, and sharing your fetish, has emboldened a lot of men to be quite upfront about this. The sheer numbers of men with fetishes (not just AGP), is overwhelming.

I expect male fetishes are way more common than the general public realises. And I also find that men tend to be sympathetic towards other men and their sexual "needs".

ChristmasPlanning · 18/10/2021 03:14

Horrific

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/10/2021 20:58

How can we say "these people are outliers" with any certainly as academic research is being shut down
I suspect you're right ChiaraRimini It's just that sometimes when faced with something as awful as this, I try to look for some hope. Sad

LittleWingSoul · 17/10/2021 20:49

@MrsOvertonsWindow I hope so too. And there's hope for the toppling of stonewall...

countdowntonap · 17/10/2021 19:31

Oh my.
This needs to be seen by all.

Datun · 17/10/2021 19:31

Anontwentyone

It's just so disturbing
As Necessary Scene said the majority are het, I read about about 6O% of TW sexually desire women, so there's a very strong chance the majority of that 60% are AGP going by Blanchard's studies.

Another interesting stat on paraphilias is that about 5% (some studies even show as high as 15%) of men have at least one type of paraphilia.

Ranking by prevalence, voyeurism is top, followed by in order fetishism, exhibitionism, masochism, sadism, transvestism, then others (thankfully paedophilia ranks v low).

With transvestism (AGP) ranking in the top five paraphilias, coupled with 1 in 20 men having at least one paraphilia, statistically it's likely AGP could be found in (I'm not a statistician!) around 1 in every 100 man?? Someone else could probably work that out better than me.

The reason why it's significant that most or many men who have a paraphilia have more than one, is because if a man has AGP it's statistically likely he also gets off on exhibitionism and voyeurism (also in the top five).
It's basically a cocktail of desire to gain access to women's spaces.

It would certainly explain why so many men appear to have such a relaxed attitude to the possibility of fetishes being played out in public or at work.

Eg the NSPCC, and rubber suited, pissing gimp man.

The outrage over that and the questions it raises over safeguarding children, appeared to completely pass them by.

For some men perhaps them not being the object of the fetish means they're not really seeing the problem. Or are also reasonably sympathetic towards it, because they are that way inclined themself.

The advent of the Internet, and sharing your fetish, has emboldened a lot of men to be quite upfront about this. The sheer numbers of men with fetishes (not just AGP), is overwhelming.

ChiaraRimini · 17/10/2021 19:28

How can we say "these people are outliers" with any certainly as academic research is being shut down?
It's horrific that babies are being co-opted into adults' delusions. Any incidence of this is unacceptable. The interruption of the mother-baby bonding process is not a trivial matter to be overlooked in the interests of affirming another adult's delusion.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/10/2021 19:17

LittleWingSoul
I just remember that these people do not represent this ideology. They're outliers - and in normal circumstances would be condemned and isolated. It's only the impact of social media and a weird defensiveness, "acceptance without exception" as Stonewall tell us, that seems to stop people from challenging them.
I do think that the increased publicity and awareness will eventually have an impact. Just as universities are being shamed into protecting the rights of their staff to speak freely about contentious issues, so organisations will have to start acknowledging the need to safeguard children and to rein in the extreme levels of queer theory / celebrating kink etc.

I do hope I'm right....

catfunk · 17/10/2021 19:06

The part about the male partner deciding to transition during pregnancy reminded me of Alexandra Hemmingsley's story

LittleWingSoul · 17/10/2021 18:57

Of all the stuff I've been reading on this forum recently, this is the first to have actually turned my stomach and given me tight anxiety in my chest. And I read the BK articles too. Can someone please provide me with something hope, as the BPA article in the telegraph did at the end of last weekend.

aloris · 17/10/2021 18:53

"When women are not defined as adult human females, they are instead relegated to splintered parts that are made available for possession"

Well said.

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