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Christian parents sue government over school's transgender policies

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ArtemesiaK · 15/10/2021 10:34

Just wondered if anyone else had seen this?...

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Alonelonelylonersbadidea · 15/10/2021 12:05

Thank you @Missmissmiiiiiiiiisss . I couldn't put it in any better way.

Political leanings have absolutely nothing to do with the fact or faith of the situation. Not at all.
I feel great sympathy for these parents.

ArtemesiaK · 15/10/2021 12:03

Also in the Times yesterday....
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nigel-and-sally-rowe-schoolboys-parents-sue-over-church-of-england-schools-gender-neutral-rules-gz553g9nz
I was a bit surprised by the "Christian Right" dismissals. I don't think Christians in the UK are particularly right wing.
Surely the trans ideology is schools is something that most people this board would like to challenge, religious or not...

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Missmissmiiiiiiiiisss · 15/10/2021 12:00

@OhHolyJesus

These parents have a protected characteristic and though important it isn't necessarily relevant to the story if you read what happened.

What I think is interesting is they are suing the government, not the school, council or LEA.

I share this as it covers what happened in more detail and not because of the source, if the BBC or Guardian was covering it in the same way I would be sharing that.

christianconcern.com/comment/nigel-and-sally-rowe-true-love-warns-it-speaks-the-truth/

The mother has essentially been forced to give up her career as a teacher in order to home school now both boys. This is their choice as parents but how much of a choice is it if they are not able to send their kids to school for fear of what they will be indoctrinated into.

This obviously affects their income and home life dramatically and has a huge impact on their sons. I sounds tired me like it wasn't their plan or their preference for the education of their sons.

Should they not be able to send their kids to school because they are Christian? Or because they don't subscribe to gender ideology?

Should they have to work to find money to send their boys to private school so to avoid it (if they can) or drive further away each day for the school run to find a school that doesn't teach gender ideology or can a school call you transphobic if you don't agree?

This. Whilst you might not agree with their faith, the key belief that sex isn’t changeable and gender presentation doesn’t change that is a gender critical position. Christians believe sex is defined by God (“male and female he created them”), gender critical feminists believe it’s biology. But it comes down to the same outcome - 6 year olds shouldn’t be given explainations for children’s atypical gender presentations as related to their ability or change sex.

Male children are boys regardless of what they wear.

I have two children who don’t present in sterotypical ways for their sex. I am very concerned that someone would make a daft comment to them that could be really damaging.
As we have always been very forthright that sex is unchanable but men and women can wear different things, enjoy different past times and do different jobs, our kids feel (thankfully at the moment) entirely happy in their sex and expressing their individuality.

I’m a Christian. The bible and biology are in alignment here.

You should love your neighbour as yourself. There are also only two sexes.

HipTightOnions · 15/10/2021 11:47

You teach children stuff at school and they believe it" shocker..

Some of us have started a resistance movement. We have some unpicking to do.

NecessaryScene · 15/10/2021 11:45

"You teach children stuff at school and they believe it" shocker... Hmm

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 15/10/2021 11:44

@Jaysmith71

We have The Christain Legal Centre of gay cake fame, and it all goes back to the Festival of Light and Mary Whitehouse complaining about My Dingaling.
Mary Whitehouse, eh. A woman who correctly interpreted what was happening with PIE and the Home Office.

whatcanidoaboutit.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/mary-whitehouse-versus-pie-the-home-office-1978/

Mary Whitehouse and her letter BBC's Director-General, Charles Curran about the song:

droppedthemoon.blogspot.com/2017/03/the-great-chuck-berry-has-passed-away.html

Maybe this should have been discussed in the public arena but how many more instances like this would have occurred, and, given the period, how much of it would have been dismissed as Boys will be boys?

Christian parents sue government over school's transgender policies
HipTightOnions · 15/10/2021 11:41

I think I agree with the idea that isn’t fair or a good thing to let children believe they can change sex

In a recent Year 9 PHSE lesson at my school, we discovered that every single pupil believed men could change sex to the extent that they would be able to have babies. They were shocked to learn that was not the case.

RoyalCorgi · 15/10/2021 11:37

I think I agree with the idea that isn’t fair or a good thing to let children believe they can change sex. They’re too young to understand it.

Another good reason for not letting children believe they can change sex is that it isn't true.

ItsRainingProstateOwners · 15/10/2021 11:29

I think I agree with the idea that isn’t fair or a good thing to let children believe they can change sex. They’re too young to understand it. Also he is quoted as saying it’s about an “ideology that is now embedded in schools, local authorities and Church of England leadership”. I think that’s right too.

CharlieParley · 15/10/2021 11:18

@NellWilsonsWhiteHair

Yeah, this is the religious right I don't align my feminism with. Definitely no objection to boys in dresses, definitely happy when schools accept children as they are.
I don't think that is a fair representation of their view. It wasn't boys coming to school in dresses that bothered them, but teachers explaining that by telling their children that boys can become girls and calling the parents transphobic when they disagreed.
Comefromaway · 15/10/2021 11:06

Plus we also have Seyi Omooba's father's organisation (the actress sacked from Colour Purple)

Jaysmith71 · 15/10/2021 11:04

We have The Christain Legal Centre of gay cake fame, and it all goes back to the Festival of Light and Mary Whitehouse complaining about My Dingaling.

OhHolyJesus · 15/10/2021 10:59

These parents have a protected characteristic and though important it isn't necessarily relevant to the story if you read what happened.

What I think is interesting is they are suing the government, not the school, council or LEA.

I share this as it covers what happened in more detail and not because of the source, if the BBC or Guardian was covering it in the same way I would be sharing that.

christianconcern.com/comment/nigel-and-sally-rowe-true-love-warns-it-speaks-the-truth/

The mother has essentially been forced to give up her career as a teacher in order to home school now both boys. This is their choice as parents but how much of a choice is it if they are not able to send their kids to school for fear of what they will be indoctrinated into.

This obviously affects their income and home life dramatically and has a huge impact on their sons. I sounds tired me like it wasn't their plan or their preference for the education of their sons.

Should they not be able to send their kids to school because they are Christian? Or because they don't subscribe to gender ideology?

Should they have to work to find money to send their boys to private school so to avoid it (if they can) or drive further away each day for the school run to find a school that doesn't teach gender ideology or can a school call you transphobic if you don't agree?

Gncq · 15/10/2021 10:59

We don't really have a "right wing Christian" subculture in the UK so this is an entirely American issue.
In the UK bog standard homophobia and thinking that gender non conforming children should be sent to a clinic for medical intervention is our problem.

NecessaryScene · 15/10/2021 10:55

But you'll also note a huge number of parents of "trans kids" in the US that show up in the media with child in tow are also strong Christians.

There's a real pattern of them being uncomfortable with the way their kid was expressing themselves until they realised they were "really a girl/boy", so it's actually okay. And they get to do a sort of "born again" thing.

2lsinllama · 15/10/2021 10:52

@Comefromaway

These people give ordinary gender critical women a bad name.
And Christians. We are not all close minded.
Comefromaway · 15/10/2021 10:50

These people give ordinary gender critical women a bad name.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 15/10/2021 10:48

Yeah, this is the religious right I don't align my feminism with. Definitely no objection to boys in dresses, definitely happy when schools accept children as they are.

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